Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manyo Granth and the Radha Soami

I have a friend who has taken the path veering off sikhism into the radhasoami cult, and he, and the general RS population, I am led to believe, strongly believe that in order to learn from the religions of the world today, inc the Guru Granth Sahib, that there must be a living Guru, and as such they have had many 'gurus' to date.

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What do my learned friends within this forum actually think of this?
The Passage in the title of this message clearly indicates that our teaching is that the Guru Granth Sahib is the only Guru, after the last living incarnation. My understanding of a Guru is , a pathway of learning to God, WaheGuru.

 
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Well Guru of Sikh is one who is neither born nor can die.It is Gurbar Akal or eternal Guru.

And Gurubani is the vebal manifestation of that.

And in fact by Gurubani we reach the status of oneness with Akal by becoming Khalsa and we attain the status of Guru.From us did Tenth Nanak took baptism.He said for us that from their mercy I am Gloryfied else there are millions of poors like me.

That Tenth Nanak gave his sons,Father,Mother ,own life and ultimatly own Guruship to us but still said that anyone who call him God will go to hel and behold him as slave of eternal Guru(Akal).

So only fools will give away his own throne of Guruship to sthe hammer who preach the personal worship and that shammer guru is nothing more than a tout who wants to become a meddle men betwen us and God and wants to earn profit in the form of fund which we may offer.

So ask your unfortunate friend about his Radhswami guru that can his guru give his own Gaddi or throne to him(your freind) like our Father Guru Gobind Singh did.But Radhswamis who are always in litigation for funds hardly will listen or understand what Das has said or what your freind may ask them.

Well as will of Akal,your freind may have been unfit to sit on the throne of Guruhood givne to Guru Panth Khalsa so he got demotion to follow a cult.Das knows many people who have left Radhswamism and gone after Gurmat.
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Das has many realtions who are hindus converted to Radhswamis but most of them do it in sheep mentailty.non is aware of preaching of Radhswamis,even thier gurus themselves are confused.Just as a fashion to see others going that way they also become Radha Swamias.

Some fault could be given to our leaders os of sgpc also but Das will discuss it in aother thread.

Yes you "need" a living guru as much as you need a "highway robber" to relieve you of your valuables. NO Thanks...I already got the ETERNAL LIVING GURU...the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which TEACHES the other "living" gurus that will die...leaving other gurus to fight over their deras.
1 Billion Christians can make do with Jesus who passed on 2000 years ago....500 million Buddhists are quite comfortable with Buddha who passed on 2500 years ago... 1 Billion Muslims are also OK with Muhammed who left this earth 1300 years ago...
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BUT..we "SIKHS" "need" a living guru ?? To explain the Eternal GURU Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ??
Many millions of Pastors and popes dont become "living JESUS Son Of God " just because they explain the Bible..have the millions of Imams and Ayatollahs becom the "living Muhammed..the Last Prophet ??" How come one who merely explains the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji according to his own "limited MENTAL/Spiritual experience"..BECOMES the EQUAL of the SIKH GURUS ?? Something is wrong....if a mere "teacher" must be regarded as the "original". The Examples of Coach..etc are simplistic ...a "coach" is a simple teacher..once you have learnt to swim..the COACH is SUPERFLOUS...and one can get a new coach anytime..NOT SO the Radhasoami types of "gurus"..they are for LIFE..once they have got you hooked..you are theirs for life..no other "coach" will suffice. BEWARE.

imho.....The title of this Thread is MISLEADING. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not " human-living" as in the sense implied. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also doesnt have the "needs" the human gurus have..financial mostly...but also vote banks manipulation for political masters, politics, etc etc.
It should be..Do you really need a "Human Guru" aka the Beas guru..sirsa guru..bhaniara guru... ??

Sadhu ji
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Buddhism does have a different view of "masters" and "sants." Sikhism does not buy into those views.

Sadhu,

Guru Fateh.

I have no idea what your faith, religion or creed is nor am I curious about that because Sikhi is neither of the above but a way of life. I have seen you elbowing others whatever they say, you seem to find something wrong with them.
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Please share your Gurmat wisdom with us and enrich us all. Share your ideas of what you think people are saying wrongly or incorrectly
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Thanks & regards


Tejwant Singh

See the completley different approach taken by Guru nanak ji when faced by the Sidhs and rishis and sadhus.
Who are YOU..Whose follower YOU are and who is YOUR Guru ?
No beating about the proverbial bush..Guru Nanak Ji simply and clearly replies...DEFINITE CLEAR CUT UNAMBIGUOUS straight talk ANSWER. BTW the answers by Guru nanak Ji are in SIDH GHOST Bani....and there is a Thread on SPN on it right HERE. That is the Example we Sikhs should follow on a SIKH Forum .