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05-Aug-2012, 17:32 PM
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| |  | | | If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
Dear SPNers.I was going through this thread "Sikhism and Black Magic" in this forum when I read people say everything is hukam and one should not worry about going to babas or black magicians for benefit. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38888-if-everything-happens-according-hukam-then.html
One often comes around the work "Hukam" in Sikhism. I think it means God's will. If everything happens to his will then what is point in "Ardas".
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05-Aug-2012, 18:03 PM
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
In our life, 'Hukam' works at micro level. What ever we do, the response from the 'Sat' comes through 'Hukam'.
When we pray, we seek the blessings of the 'Sat' a for successful out come of some act of ours. The cosmic forces may reinforce our efforts which we have made to achieve the desired end, if and only if, that desired end is part of the mission of life of the person, else it gets ignored. This way only what is preordained, one gets. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888
Thus prayers are to reinforce our effort for the desired outcome.
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
Searching ji
I asked a very similar question myself here: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questi...d-hukam-2.html Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888
You might find something of value there (although the thread went a bit wonky towards the end!). | | The following member appreciates Ishna Ji for the above message. | |
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| |  | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
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One often comes around the work "Hukam" in Sikhism. I think it means God's will
| I would describe it more as God's suggestion, in line with his will, whether we take it or not defines us as manmukh or Gurmukh, in my opinion |
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| |  | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
Why not pray? If you are really a Sikh that would be a really funny question to ask since all of our Guru jis cannot stress how important it is to pray! | | The following members appreciate Kamala Ji for the above message. | |
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
Prayer is for the self, not Creator.
Reasons for praying could be for more grace, strength, wisdom, perception in order to deal with a situation.
Creator does not need prayers, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, maybe good prayers could be added to that! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888
I see no point personally in praying, for the very reason that you either follow Hukam, or you don't. If you don't, then its a bit rich to go whinning back to Creator requesting divine intervention just because you would rather behave like a manmukh.
Our Gurus stressed the importance of understanding Bani and living Bani, I would say truthful living is more important than prayer.
For the record, Kamalaji, I do not pray
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
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Originally Posted by Searching  Dear SPNers.I was going through this thread "Sikhism and Black Magic" in this forum when I read people say everything is hukam and one should not worry about going to babas or black magicians for benefit.
One often comes around the work "Hukam" in Sikhism. I think it means God's will. If everything happens to his will then what is point in "Ardas".
Or does God change his will for those who pray? | It would amount to Fatalism or determinism . However, Complacent fatalism has become a fashion.
God has all the powers and sikhi envisages His grace as an important element of theology and philosophy. In fact, sikhism is called, sometimes, as a religion of Grace.
Nothing stops Him to extend the grace where it is needed. Prayer is the media that satisfies human beings that they have done their best to be come eligible for unfettered powers of Grace of God. It is to me is a plain logic as to why we do Ardas or prayer.
Tenth Master has also stated, though I would need a quote to support it and that I have none right now, that he listens to the poor[needy] quickly.
Yes, it is true that everything happens as His plan but He can also bestow grace upon us and provide temporary accommodation. None can question His authority. His grace is also His will and Prayer strengthens us only.
I do agree with Kamala ji to this extent.
Lastly as per accepted theory of Karma , as per sikhism, He has the powers modify the effect of Karmas as well. In a way this theory is peculiar to sikhism only. He can eliminate the karmas that have become the cause of trouble for the individual. It is only He who knows as to how this works.My views only.
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06-Aug-2012, 02:50 AM
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
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Originally Posted by Ishna | Thank you Ishna ji for the directing me to that discussion.
Maybe it is that everything happens according to his hukam and when we pray it is His hukam that we are following?
Or the God is merciful and listens to and grants us our wishes sometimes.
There cannot be a definitive answer to it I think. As Sikhs all we can do is to believe in and put our faith in bani.
I think the only correct form of praying would be where we ask for things recommended in the Bani and not materialistic things or even long life or happiness etc.
But when you have a dieing relative it is not possible sometimes. | | The following member appreciates Searching Ji for the above message. | |
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| | | | | Re: If everything happens according to Hukam, then why do we pray?
We all pray, that includes you Harryji!!
Praying is when we liase and converse with creator and creation.
When you are speaking to that other voice within you- that in my opinion is praying. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38888
To me praying doesn't mean on my knees or bum with hands together and reciting my needs and wants to the almighty. | | The following member appreciates Luckysingh Ji for the above message. | | 
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