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03-Mar-2012, 02:53 AM
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waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh all,
Just wanted to know if a sikh and even a amritdhari sikh can go in to pubs and clubs.
I have spoken to a few people, and the same debate happens all the time;
-No you should not because Guru Ji would not allow it.
-but on the other hand, if you are not to drink and control your head i.e. kaam...... i donno. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38166-pubs-clubs-and-sikhs.html
that is literally how it goes  .... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
i was thinking though, that Waheguru is omnipresent, so hence can a sikh or a amritdhari sikh go?
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03-Mar-2012, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by justosh  waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh all,
Just wanted to know if a sikh and even a amritdhari sikh can go in to pubs and clubs.
I have spoken to a few people, and the same debate happens all the time;
-No you should not because Guru Ji would not allow it.
-but on the other hand, if you are not to drink and control your head i.e. kaam...... i donno.
that is literally how it goes ....
i was thinking though, that Waheguru is omnipresent, so hence can a sikh or a amritdhari sikh go?Thanks | justosh ji thanks for your post. Sikhism does not believe in forbidden and the sanctification of places. What was once a farm, becomes a house, becomes a pub, becomes a condo building. Sikhism is concerned with the innards of who we are. You don't need to go to pub to become bad or automatically become good by going to a Gurdwara. This can be proven through too numerous examples.
So important is to live in your beliefs and wisdom of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as much as your heart desires. If you are blessed you could even be a saint in a bordello.
There are practical dangers in terms of "when in Rome act like a Roman" peer pressure, etc., but it will go to your inner strength and values again for the counterpoise.
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03-Mar-2012, 05:54 AM
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Don't restrict yourself. Only then you will know where yOu wish to go and where not | | The following members appreciate Kanwaljit Singh Ji for the above message. | |
03-Mar-2012, 06:20 AM
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a person i know very well, used to be in the Gurdwara almost 24/7..meditating..doing various sewa etc etc..and everyone thought he was a SAINT..a holy one..who cared for nothing except sewa etc...and then suddenly one day he struck a lottery...and then he was 24/7 in pubs clubs and discos and at the races/bordellos....his friends were actually in the "dark" as he was probably IN the Gurdwara because he had no money to go anywhere else...and when the MONEY came in..he was "enlightened"...and all the garbage inside him became visible to all...the question is..was he full of garbage anyway ( hidden because of no money)...and the money is simply like a light switched ON in a room full of garbage...where earlier due to the darkness everyone thought the room was clean..or its the fault of the LIGHT/MONEY for revealing the TRUTH... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
so its NOT places that matter..in fact Gurbani tells us that there is much more "dirt.....maeil in TEERATHS than in other places... | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
03-Mar-2012, 06:48 AM
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You can go if you really wish. But clubs have no advantage for me they aer just boring. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
You have to made the experience.. Our Guru made experience as well.. but in the end it is you , who have to accept yourself. But remember Bad Sangat = Bad Influence = Bad habits
Good Sangat = Good influence = good habits. And only keeping Kesh dont means you are a Sikh. It is a step forward but nothing more.
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03-Mar-2012, 08:40 AM
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Justosh ji
It's not forbidden to go. Of course you can go. But what exactly do you want to do there.
In a pub you could be socialising, telling jokes, playing cards- so your mind will be occupied with company. In a club, you could just be enjoying the music and dance- not paying attention to lust/drink/drug around you.
Doing both is absolutely fine.
But during your whole time there, is that all your mind will be doing, every single moment ??
It's all about controlling your mind and not subjecting your mind to exposures which makes it a little easier to control. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
I do know plenty of sikhs that were into dance and fitness and they did go clubbing for this very often . But, it wasn't always easy in these places to keep your focus just on music and dance !!!! As you will get thirsty, need washroom etc... etc... so while on your way to the bar for a cola or use the washroom you will encounter/interact with others-whose interests will not be the same as yours.-This is where the TRUE MIND control comes in. Can you keep focused on just what you went for (dance/fitness enjoy) or will you experience temptations ?? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
It's all experience and progress in your development.
If you don't go to a certain dance night, then you won't know.
So by all means go, your 18 yrs old, I know how it feels. You will learn from yourself, not by what we say, just see if you can control your mind- that's the fun part.
I have known some Singhs to have very good mind control in these situations, but ONLY A FEW.
See if you fit in to the few, don't worry if you don't.
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03-Mar-2012, 09:10 AM
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By all means go, but please know that its not as glamorous as it seems. Lots of people get into drinking, partying etc. early on, end up abusing it later on. You don't want those things to be options for you. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
Rely on Waheguru... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
So, for the sake of observation go, but be safe. Plus theres lots of other ways to have fun with your mates, than to be around drinking etc. | | The following members appreciate Navdeep88 Ji for the above message. | |
03-Mar-2012, 12:24 PM
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I LOVE to party and I go almost every weekend! But I don't drink at the clubs, just dancing haha. | | The following member appreciates Kamala Ji for the above message. | |
03-Mar-2012, 12:40 PM
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Sounds good, what sort of dance and music are you into ?? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166
So, you don't drink at the clubs, I know it's usually pricey, do you drink before you go ?? | 
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