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Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by justosh, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. justosh

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    waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh all,
    Just wanted to know if a sikh and even a amritdhari sikh can go in to pubs and clubs.

    I have spoken to a few people, and the same debate happens all the time;
    -No you should not because Guru Ji would not allow it.
    -but on the other hand, if you are not to drink and control your head i.e. kaam...... i donno.

    that is literally how it goes lol....

    i was thinking though, that Waheguru is omnipresent, so hence can a sikh or a amritdhari sikh go?

    Thanks
     
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    Re: Pubs and Clubs

    justosh ji thanks for your post. Sikhism does not believe in forbidden and the sanctification of places. What was once a farm, becomes a house, becomes a pub, becomes a condo building. Sikhism is concerned with the innards of who we are. You don't need to go to pub to become bad or automatically become good by going to a Gurdwara. This can be proven through too numerous examples.

    So important is to live in your beliefs and wisdom of SGGS as much as your heart desires. If you are blessed you could even be a saint in a bordello.

    There are practical dangers in terms of "when in Rome act like a Roman" peer pressure, etc., but it will go to your inner strength and values again for the counterpoise.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Re: Pubs and Clubs

    Don't restrict yourself. Only then you will know where yOu wish to go and where not
     
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    Re: Pubs and Clubs

    a person i know very well, used to be in the Gurdwara almost 24/7..meditating..doing various sewa etc etc..and everyone thought he was a SAINT..a holy one..who cared for nothing except sewa etc...and then suddenly one day he struck a lottery...and then he was 24/7 in pubs clubs and discos and at the races/bordellos....his friends were actually in the "dark" as he was probably IN the Gurdwara because he had no money to go anywhere else...and when the MONEY came in..he was "enlightened"...and all the garbage inside him became visible to all...the question is..was he full of garbage anyway ( hidden because of no money)...and the money is simply like a light switched ON in a room full of garbage...where earlier due to the darkness everyone thought the room was clean..or its the fault of the LIGHT/MONEY for revealing the TRUTH...
    so its NOT places that matter..in fact Gurbani tells us that there is much more "dirt.....maeil in TEERATHS than in other places...
     
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    Re: Pubs and Clubs

    You can go if you really wish. But clubs have no advantage for me they aer just boring.
    You have to made the experience.. Our Guru made experience as well.. but in the end it is you , who have to accept yourself. But remember Bad Sangat = Bad Influence = Bad habits
    Good Sangat = Good influence = good habits. And only keeping Kesh dont means you are a Sikh. It is a step forward but nothing more.

    Good luck , bro:interestedmunda:
     
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    Justosh ji

    It's not forbidden to go. Of course you can go. But what exactly do you want to do there.
    In a pub you could be socialising, telling jokes, playing cards- so your mind will be occupied with company. In a club, you could just be enjoying the music and dance- not paying attention to lust/drink/drug around you.
    Doing both is absolutely fine.
    But during your whole time there, is that all your mind will be doing, every single moment ??

    It's all about controlling your mind and not subjecting your mind to exposures which makes it a little easier to control.

    I do know plenty of sikhs that were into dance and fitness and they did go clubbing for this very often . But, it wasn't always easy in these places to keep your focus just on music and dance !!!! As you will get thirsty, need washroom etc... etc... so while on your way to the bar for a cola or use the washroom you will encounter/interact with others-whose interests will not be the same as yours.-This is where the TRUE MIND control comes in. Can you keep focused on just what you went for (dance/fitness enjoy) or will you experience temptations ??
    It's all experience and progress in your development.
    If you don't go to a certain dance night, then you won't know.

    So by all means go, your 18 yrs old, I know how it feels. You will learn from yourself, not by what we say, just see if you can control your mind- that's the fun part.
    I have known some Singhs to have very good mind control in these situations, but ONLY A FEW.
    See if you fit in to the few, don't worry if you don't.

    Thanks
     
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    Re: Pubs and Clubs

    By all means go, but please know that its not as glamorous as it seems. Lots of people get into drinking, partying etc. early on, end up abusing it later on. You don't want those things to be options for you.

    Rely on Waheguru...

    So, for the sake of observation go, but be safe. Plus theres lots of other ways to have fun with your mates, than to be around drinking etc.
     
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    I LOVE to party and I go almost every weekend! But I don't drink at the clubs, just dancing haha.
     
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    Sounds good, what sort of dance and music are you into ??
    So, you don't drink at the clubs, I know it's usually pricey, do you drink before you go ??
     
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    Well I dance to trance songs/techno at the clubs to popular pop songs haha. I mostly just sway around with the crowd but I never go if my friends don't come along with me :) I don't drink hah. I'm to scared to face the consequences after this life ends |o|.
     
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    Acid base, breaks, breakbeat,ambient techno,dark, jungle,ministry,acid trance,classic and dream trance, euro trance,neo and uplifting trance....there are many more..... Which do you prefer ?
    Do certain ones help you 'trip' better ??:singhbhangra::singhbhangra::singhbhangra:
     
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    Well I am Punjabi but I am in Canada and I don't know any Indian dances. Lol I don't trip since I'm always sober :p
     
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    Sorry, I didn't mention Indian dances. I was giving a few examples of different trance/techno dance music that you mentioned.
    Just wanted to clarify which sort in particular.

    Lot's of dancers can trip whilst sober, you don't need alcohol to trip!!
     
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    In the UK the Pub is an integral part of the community. It is the social place, eating place, meeting place, business place and drinking place. I do not drink but do meet people there and do business there. I also occaisionally eat there and take my kids to the Wacky Warehouses there. In Punjabi circles the Pub is just seen as a drinking place.

    Again clubs, many social events such as birthday, Christmas events are held there.

    In short I have no problem with them.

    Then again I wouldn't go to some sleezy pubs with alcoholics there or dirty strip clubs.
     
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    Very good point Randip ji,
    The pub culture as described is just in UK. Here in Canada it's much different.

    The coffee shops like Tim Horton's, Starbucks etc are more of a social meeting place.
    It's just a difference in cultures. The pubs in UK are much more family orientated, not here, unless its a steak/ ribs house with a bar. Even then the food/restaurant is 1st with an added bar, whereas in UK its the bar with food/restaurant added secondary.

    My post earlier for Justosh ji was referring to the UK scene and culture, which is quite different to here in Canada.
     
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    As Sikhs we are called on to live life to its fullest, to be happy and remain in chardi kala always.

    Do clubs and pubs and the like help us do this? I have not been in a club since the 1980's and I remember it as crowded, very loud and full of tobacco smoke. I think most places no longer allow smoking; the smoke alone was enough to get me to turn around and walk out.

    I think going to clubs and pubs is not forbidden, but what does it accomplish? Won't others seeing a visible Sikh in such places assume that s/he is there for the same reasons as most people are? How does this reflect on our community? For many reasons, we are not very popular in a lot of places and as much as I wish it were otherwise, I think we need to watch our public image.

    Everything a visible Sikh does reflects on the whole community and our Shaheeds and our Guru Sahiban. Does going to such places honor them and us? Clearly, I think it's better to avoid those places, but I think, as I said, they are not forbidden.

    As for dancing, I love dancing. I loved doing it when I was younger and I love watching it now. I'd say, just do it at an appropriate time and place keep it clean.

    :mundabhangra::mundabhangra::singhbhangra:

    So partake of the banquet of life with great gusto and enjoy yourself - but do it in a way that reflects well on yourself and on the rest of us - and on our Gurus. Never forget or minimize who and what you are.
     
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    Bhain Inderjeet Kaur ji some comments.
    Sat Sri Akal and thanks for your post. peacesign
     
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    OMG, are you suggesting that I'm getting old? Ah, well, the alternative is getting dead and Satguru has not yet called me home. cheerleader

    You quoted my whole post except for the very end, which I think bears repeating, so here it is:

    "So partake of the banquet of life with great gusto and enjoy yourself - but do it in a way that reflects well on yourself and on the rest of us - and on our Gurus. Never forget or minimize who and what you are."

    (I have heard that people who quote themselves may have other nasty habit. I do, I do, but that's not for discussion here.) lol
     
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    Sorry Chhoti/younger Bhain Inderjeet Kaur ji, some comments. I don't see announcement of your age and I don't announce my age either. Personally I don't announce my age and the reason for me is that I don't want even the youngest of the young to have any hesitation to take me to task for things said incorrect or wrong.

    I did not comment on your last paragraph as anything I said would have taken away the brilliance with which you stated so. I 110% agreed with it.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    LOL, in 29 days, I will celebrate my 60th birthday and I am quite pleased, heck, ecstatically pleased with that fact. I never thought I'd make it.

    I don't think the young here have any hesitation in taking on any of us greybeards. (I do qualify, having a few stray hairs growing out of my chin.)
     
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