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I was just wondering if it was ok to eat kosher foods that arent meat. Like fruits, vegtables and juices and stuff.
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re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

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I was just wondering if it was ok to eat kosher foods that arent meat. Like fruits, vegtables and juices and stuff.
How can that be Kosher?
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re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

I think that they can. I saw on my orange juice bottle a while ago that it was kosher.
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re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

I certainly hope - and believe - that it is OK to eat kosher food as long as it is not meat. It is halal and kosher meat that is forbidden to Amritdhari Sikhs. An interesting fact is that kosher foods are not generally blessed or prayed over.

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Many agencies exist to approve products as kosher. The food is not blessed, but rather the entire manufacturing process is routinely inspected to ensure that everything is produced according to Jewish law.
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Yes, all processed foods Orthodox Jews - and most Conservative Jews - eat must be certified as kosher. This does not include fresh produce, but it does cover everything else.

One Jewish dietary law not much known outside of Jewish circles is that it is not kosher to eat dairy and meat at the same meal. This is relevant to vegetarian Sikhs because most cheese is made with rennet, an enzyme harvested from the stomach of baby cows. Kosher cheese, however, uses vegetable enzymes to accomplish the same purpose. I use Tillamook cheese personally for the most part because it meets my requirements and also is of good quality and reasonable price.

It is still necessary to be careful, though. Not all kosher dairy products are acceptable to vegetarian Sikhs. They might contain eggs or even something called "kosher gelatin." Gelatin is made from the hooves of animals. The rabbis have decided that the product has been processed to the point that it is no longer meat, but is now neutral (parva/pareve). Go figure. It is still made from a dead animal and is thus not vegetarian. This is especially a problem with most yogurt. Read the ingredients. Most of them - including Tillamook brand - contain gelatin. I buy Mountain High brand or make my own. (BTW, yogurt is called curd in India.)

For a picture of marks indicating if a food is kosher, as well as some other interesting facts on kosher foods, I recommend Burton2: Study Breaks. At least I found it interesting.
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re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

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How can that be Kosher?
Because Kosher does not refer to a method of killing. It is a broader term that refers to purity and can apply to food but other things as well. It includes cooking fats, vegetable and not, flours, cracker meal for dumplings, lotions and creams, candles, and more.

That has been a problem all along our discussions of halal and kosher meat. These terms should not be used interchangeably because kosher meat is not killed according to ritual. There are no exclamations similar to Alah Akbar. Only a finely sharpened knife, an abatoire that meets with rabbinical standards of cleanliness, and a trained wielder of the knife. I checked this out at a local rabbinical college in my area.
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Re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

Here is an interesting note (at least i think it is interesting). When meat is slaughtered for Jews in the slaughter houses of a given area, this happens in the morning. The abatoires are cleaned meticulously. After the slaughter for Jewish butchers and meat packers is complete, the halal for Muslim butchers and packers then takes place in the same abatoires. Muslims considering the hosing down after Jewish slaughter good enough.
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Re: May Sikhs Eat Kosher Foods Other than Meat?

Mai Harinder Kaur ji an spnadmin ji, if you have not seen the movie "Earthlings (2003)" you may try (WARNING: Some scenes you will remember for the rest of your lives so be careful, I know I will). It has PETA oriented approach to show worst of the worst that animals suffer through in food chain and clothing/fur production. There was a scene also of a "Kosher" slaughter of a Buffalo, pretty disgusting. A Chinese guy skinning a live Wolf/Fox hung upside down while the animal keeps looking at the camera helplessly.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/36450-may-sikhs-eat-kosher-foods-other.html

What ends up in the grocery stores or clothing stores of course has no such Imagery or it won't sell. It is likely also that worst of the worse practices hopefully are not as prevalent. Jhatka or one blow by far appears comparatively civilized.

The rest of the stuff about gummy bears (gelatin), cheese, eggs and other is rather civilized by being tail end of bye-products, etc. We do make our own yogurt and it is much tastier with no additives other than the culture.

I have kind of given up in being too picky on this stuff as it is a losing battle with food processing and packaging.

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Mai Harinder Kaur ji an spnadmin ji, if you have not seen the movie "Earthlings (2003)" you may try (WARNING: Some scenes you will remember for the rest of your lives so be careful, I know I will). It has PETA oriented approach to show worst of the worst that animals suffer through in food chain and clothing/fur production. There was a scene also of a "Kosher" slaughter of a Buffalo, pretty disgusting. A Chinese guy skinning a live Wolf/Fox hung upside down while the animal keeps looking at the camera helplessly.

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I thought of that kosher scene as I wrote and decided not to bring it up. I'm glad someone else did.
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Sorry for this basic question, but why is kosher meat forbidden to an Amritdhari if it's not slaughtered ritually? I thought that was the problem with the halal meat - it is slaughtered ritually and with Allah Akbar said over it.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36450

Is it that Amritdhari's can only eat jhatka meat?

I don't want to talk about Sikhs eating meat or not. I'm just curious about the opinions regarding Sikhs eating these kinds of meats.

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