No Punjabi in Punjab?

princess kaur · #37 (**permalink**) 22-Sep-2011, 00:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rajneesh madhok

Princess Kaurji,
The point was that no doubt we should learn Punjabi but side by side Hindi is the very useful language when you are travelling in rural parts of India and Pakistan. Most of the Indians and Pakistanis will understand Hindi/Urdu compared to any other language, even though English has higher esteem. With the knowledge of Hindi one can move to Pakistan, Nepal, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Guyana, Fiji and Trinidad and Tobago even. Because in these countries you can find people those understand Hindi.
Secondly on education point of view you can find more books in Hindi language for study on any topic than any other language in India.
I can confidentally say that the Speakers of Dravidian languages like Malyalam, Telgu and Kannada ----Not Tamil will easily understand Hindi language as the particular languages are having most of the sanskritized Hindi words. In other words these languages are sanskitized.
Princess Kaur ji, You admit one thing that we should learn other languages as well. When you yourself admit that you can understand Hindi language very well it means that you can conversate fluently in Hindi. Now the point is that you admit that Hindi is our national language and we all respect this language, secondly this is the compulsory subject in all schools.
Now I come to your point how can you say that in Punjab Hindi has become the first priority. All the official work is being done in Punjabi, the student who fails in Punjabi language is declared failed. The Punjabi language is being taught up to Graduation level, the student might be the student of any stream like Arts, commerce, Medical or Non medical. How can you say that the Hindi is considered the Priority subject. How can you say that Punjabi language is being ignored.
Nobody has forgotten the mother tongue.
The mother tongue whichever it is being understood by the children. We don't need to stress that the children should learn that language. The question in other states is that how we shall communciate with the general public, the question here does not arise that we have to prove that we are punjabi.
I second your thought that every body learn hindi but one should not make it a priority language. I have put before so many examples regarding steps taken by the Government how can you say that Hindi is the priority language. I once again say that the Government should implement Punjabi language but in case of Government Departments in which one has to go to courts and need documents for international use. The English language should be adopted so that the public should not be harassed.
Regards,
Rajneesh

rajneesh ji,

i think there is no end to this conversation. i only want to say is that we r all learning hindi in schools and colleges and can understnd and speak hindi. but inspite of that its becoming priority in most of our families. parents restrict thier children from talking in punjabi. and in schools also hindi is the priority, then where a child will learn to speak punjabi????? its only get restricted to the syllabas upto matric or plus two standard!!!! afterwards punjabi is completely discarded. implementing all works in punjabi by government would not do any good.

if hindi is spoken in schools and everyone can learn hindi their then there is no point that parents should restrict their children,,,actually m giving you the live example!!!my all friends of punjab used to conversate in hindi, i was only punjabi speaker among them,,,condition is becoming very worse....there is a great harm to our language...there should be a balance.

and coming to other states we r taught this much hindi that we can conversate in hindi.... and u know that tamilnadu is completely against the hindi.

the student who fails in Punjabi language is declared failed this should be the rule to mark the importance of language if it is not so noone will take seriously the langauge and then the condition will be worst of all.

there must be awareness about our language among people which is not so especially in new generation....i dont what the show off in speaking hindi??? according to me they r the most illiterate among all!!! speak hindi whereever required like in schools,colleges in class but not everywhere!!!

regards....

Ambarsaria · #38 (**permalink**) 22-Sep-2011, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by princess kaur

rajneesh ji,

i think there is no end to this conversation. i only want to say is that we r all learning hindi in schools and colleges and can understnd and speak hindi. but inspite of that its becoming priority in most of our families. parents restrict thier children from talking in punjabi. and in schools also hindi is the priority, then where a child will learn to speak punjabi????? its only get restricted to the syllabas upto matric or plus two standard!!!! afterwards punjabi is completely discarded. implementing all works in punjabi by government would not do any good.

if hindi is spoken in schools and everyone can learn hindi their then there is no point that parents should restrict their children,,,actually m giving you the live example!!!my all friends of punjab used to conversate in hindi, i was only punjabi speaker among them,,,condition is becoming very worse....there is a great harm to our language...there should be a balance.

and coming to other states we r taught this much hindi that we can conversate in hindi.... and u know that tamilnadu is completely against the hindi.

the student who fails in Punjabi language is declared failed this should be the rule to mark the importance of language if it is not so noone will take seriously the langauge and then the condition will be worst of all.

there must be awareness about our language among people which is not so especially in new generation....i dont what the show off in speaking hindi??? according to me they r the most illiterate among all!!! speak hindi whereever required like in schools,colleges in class but not everywhere!!!

regards....

Princess Kaur ji thanks for your great posts and observations.

Let us see if a Punjab Government with some backbone adopts the Tamil Nadu model for Punjabi. I guarantee this will be labelled as a revolt by Hindi speakers!

Sat Sri Akal.

princess kaur · #39 (**permalink**) 22-Sep-2011, 20:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Princess Kaur ji thanks for your great posts and observations.

Let us see if a Punjab Government with some backbone adopts the Tamil Nadu model for Punjabi. I guarantee this will be labelled as a revolt by Hindi speakers!

Sat Sri Akal.

ambarsaria g,

may b m taking this as a long topic with my discussions.i just dont want any revolt...there r many other things of concern which should b taken care of in punjab. i only want that what a role we can play in this???? its thinking of people that have to b changed and govt cant do any thing by forcibly applying the things.
my only moto is that if my words can reach to a small mass like here only that will be a great thing and we all should contribute,,,,its only, we, who have to change our thinking and opinions......thanks

regards....

rajneesh madhok · #40 (**permalink**) 22-Sep-2011, 21:45 PM

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Originally Posted by princess kaur

ambarsaria g,

may b m taking this as a long topic with my discussions.i just dont want any revolt...there r many other things of concern which should b taken care of in punjab. i only want that what a role we can play in this???? its thinking of people that have to b changed and govt cant do any thing by forcibly applying the things.
my only moto is that if my words can reach to a small mass like here only that will be a great thing and we all should contribute,,,,its only, we, who have to change our thinking and opinions......thanks

regards....

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Originally Posted by princess kaur

rajneesh ji,

i think there is no end to this conversation. i only want to say is that we r all learning hindi in schools and colleges and can understnd and speak hindi. but inspite of that its becoming priority in most of our families. parents restrict thier children from talking in punjabi. and in schools also hindi is the priority, then where a child will learn to speak punjabi????? its only get restricted to the syllabas upto matric or plus two standard!!!! afterwards punjabi is completely discarded. implementing all works in punjabi by government would not do any good.

if hindi is spoken in schools and everyone can learn hindi their then there is no point that parents should restrict their children,,,actually m giving you the live example!!!my all friends of punjab used to conversate in hindi, i was only punjabi speaker among them,,,condition is becoming very worse....there is a great harm to our language...there should be a balance.

and coming to other states we r taught this much hindi that we can conversate in hindi.... and u know that tamilnadu is completely against the hindi.

the student who fails in Punjabi language is declared failed this should be the rule to mark the importance of language if it is not so noone will take seriously the langauge and then the condition will be worst of all.

there must be awareness about our language among people which is not so especially in new generation....i dont what the show off in speaking hindi??? according to me they r the most illiterate among all!!! speak hindi whereever required like in schools,colleges in class but not everywhere!!!

regards....

Princess Kaurji,
Regards,
As you belong to Punjab and would have visited Medical, Engineering, Pharmacy Colleges and other professional colleges in Punjab. Have you come across even 1% students, faculty, staff of those professional colleges those conversate in Punjabi language. Though those colleges are situated in the remotest areas of Punjab and are being run by Sikh managements. Why not you raise this issue in those colleges. Why not more than 1% students, staff, faculty and management conversate in Punjabi. Why 99% persons in colleges conversate in Hindi. In those colleges at least more than 50% students are Punjabis and belong to sikh families because 85% seats in all the professional colleges are reserved for Punjab candidates. Kindly tell me whose fault is this. I am talking about the remotest areas of Punjab, where the village population conversate in Punjabi. When we don't want to conversate in Punjabi in Punjab's remotest areas then how can you say that we shall apply Tamilnadu's policies.
You can influence the students but can not change the mentality. Who has played such type of roles in Professional colleges in Punjab. The reason is that the lecturers deliver lecture in Hindi/ English language. No lecturer deliver lecture in Punjabi language. It is not the detachment with Punjabi language but it is that Hindi language is our national language and so the mode of conversation in Punjab in all professional colleges is Hindi.

rajneesh madhok · #41 (**permalink**) 22-Sep-2011, 22:41 PM

The propaganda to Punjabi language is much more than its implementation. Gurmat Parchar is being made but even then Punjabi language is not being implemented in Punjab despite efforts with ups and bound.
Even Sikh Gurudwara Management committees could not implement Punjabi language in the institutions run by them. The material fact is that the set back to Punjabi has been made not by the particular community but by our so called politicians.

Ambarsaria · #42 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2011, 02:54 AM

Rajneesh Madhok ji some comments,

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Originally Posted by rajneesh madhok

The propaganda to Punjabi language is much more than its implementation. Gurmat Parchar is being made but even then Punjabi language is not being implemented in Punjab despite efforts with ups and bound.
Sorry cannot make head or tails out of this sentence.

Even Sikh Gurudwara Management committees could not implement Punjabi language in the institutions run by them.

The material fact is that the set back to Punjabi has been made not by the particular community but by our so called politicians.
Rajneesh Madhok ji the seeds of Punjabi destruction were sown by the Jan Sangh (I believe they are called BJP now) in Punjab during the census to destroy Punjabi language in Punjab in the 1960s. Perhaps current generation's fathers and forefathers. Jan Sangh encouraged and actively worked on getting Hindus in Punjab to claim they spoke Hindi or basically lie and hence the destruction of Punjab and Punjabi began. Rest is History as now we are just seeing the maturing effects of the treason of such people to Punjab and Punjabi.

It is pretty stark and we don't need to sugar coat it with tertiary observations like colleges away from villages and people speaking Hindi in those places.

Sorry to very strongly disagree with your posts in this thread. Conversly very happy to strongly agree with posts by Princess Kaur ji.

Sat Sri Akal.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #43 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2011, 08:13 AM

This is one topic where I most strongly disagree with Rajneesh madhok. The JanSangh and the Mahasha Press of Jalandhar together with the Arya samsjis ( of PUNJAB ONLY ) worked day and night to destroy PUNJABI status in Punjab. They got the ordinary Hindu families to lie that they spoke HINDI (saying..SADEE MA BOLI hindi Hai declaring Hindi as mother tongue while speaking PUNJABI !!..while a Genuine Hindi seeaker would have said..hamaree boli hindi hai or hum hindi bolteh hein... This is history and cannot be wished away....
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab-punjabi-punjabiyat/36846-no-punjabi-in-punjab.html
The PUNJAB section of BJP is still the exact same jan sangh people...who cannot stomach anything Pro-Punjab...pro-punjabi or pro-sikh. Thats why they find Badal such a good friend...birds of feather fly together..

princess kaur · #44 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 15:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rajneesh madhok

Princess Kaurji,
Regards,
As you belong to Punjab and would have visited Medical, Engineering, Pharmacy Colleges and other professional colleges in Punjab. Have you come across even 1% students, faculty, staff of those professional colleges those conversate in Punjabi language. Though those colleges are situated in the remotest areas of Punjab and are being run by Sikh managements. Why not you raise this issue in those colleges. Why not more than 1% students, staff, faculty and management conversate in Punjabi. Why 99% persons in colleges conversate in Hindi. In those colleges at least more than 50% students are Punjabis and belong to sikh families because 85% seats in all the professional colleges are reserved for Punjab candidates. Kindly tell me whose fault is this. I am talking about the remotest areas of Punjab, where the village population conversate in Punjabi. When we don't want to conversate in Punjabi in Punjab's remotest areas then how can you say that we shall apply Tamilnadu's policies.
You can influence the students but can not change the mentality. Who has played such type of roles in Professional colleges in Punjab. The reason is that the lecturers deliver lecture in Hindi/ English language. No lecturer deliver lecture in Punjabi language. It is not the detachment with Punjabi language but it is that Hindi language is our national language and so the mode of conversation in Punjab in all professional colleges is Hindi.

rajneesh ji,

yes,i have visited many colleges in punjab. in remote areas situation is not that worse as in urban areas. in remote areas mostly students conversate in punjabi. i have studied in remote as well as in urban areas. in remote areas there are not great hindi lovers. staff and students who speak hindi in remote areas, they belong to urban areas or are hindus. most mass is from villages and there is no infuence of hindi on them. they may conversate in hindi in class with teachers but they talk in punjabi language only.in remote areas 90% are punjabi speakers. they talk in punajbi atleast in their family that is a great thing...as long m concerned when i conversate in punjabi with hindi speakers they also respond in punjabi language, it depends on us also.

alone i cant do anything in prapagating punjabi langauge its WE who have to raise the voice.

but sorry to say rajneesh ji,in this forum many friends are from all over world, they must not be knowing punjabi but they have felt concern about the language. and i cant change your mentality, and others who have same mentality especially hindu masses.

rajneesh madhok · #45 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 18:57 PM

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Originally Posted by princess kaur

rajneesh ji,

yes,i have visited many colleges in punjab. in remote areas situation is not that worse as in urban areas. in remote areas mostly students conversate in punjabi. i have studied in remote as well as in urban areas. in remote areas there are not great hindi lovers. staff and students who speak hindi in remote areas, they belong to urban areas or are hindus. most mass is from villages and there is no infuence of hindi on them. they may conversate in hindi in class with teachers but they talk in punjabi language only.in remote areas 90% are punjabi speakers. they talk in punajbi atleast in their family that is a great thing...as long m concerned when i conversate in punjabi with hindi speakers they also respond in punjabi language, it depends on us also.

alone i cant do anything in prapagating punjabi langauge its WE who have to raise the voice.

but sorry to say rajneesh ji,in this forum many friends are from all over world, they must not be knowing punjabi but they have felt concern about the language. and i cant change your mentality, and others who have same mentality especially hindu masses.

Princess Kaurji,

Why Hindi newspapers has the maximum readership in Punjab. The Hindi newspapers are maximum circulated in Punjab. The circulation of only one newspaper of Hindi i.e. Punjab Kesari is more than double of the sale of all the daily newspapers. The combined sale of only Punjab Kesari is 10,91,000 copies daily. Why the liking of Punjabis are more to Hindi newspapers than Punjabi newspapers.
Punjab kesari (Hindi newspaper) with a circulation of 6.4 lakh copies. of Jalandhar edition and 4,50,000 copies of Delhi edition has maximum sale in Punjab. Jag Bani Punjabi paper being printed from Jalandhar and Ludhiana has only circulation of 3.1 lakh copies and Ajit and other daily newspapers combined circulation is 3 lakh copies.
Kindly elaborate whether there is any role of hindus that Punjab Kesari (Hindi newspaper) is being read more than double in Punjab. Whether the maximum circulation of Hindi Paper is due to Hindus. Why not the circulation of Punjabi newspapers could not increase in Punjab.
Hindi is the most liking language because: When the question of employment is concerned:
The question is based on employment factor. The lecturers are appointed in professional colleges due to the fluency in Hindi/ English language. You sincerely tell me whether the lecturer who has fluency in Punjabi language will be appointed in Professional colleges in Punjab or those have fluency in Hindi language. Unfortunately we are still sticking on Punjabi and Hindi. We are not concerned with the prospects of the students. Whether you will find more books in Punjabi language on technical subjects.
While submitting the resume for a job. Whether the candidate will admit to provide lecture in Punjabi/ English or Hindi/ English. In which language the interviews are being conducted in Punjab.
In which language the multi-national companies’ employees conversate in Punjab.

Madam, now I come to your points: You admit that the situation in remote areas is not that worse means that is not GOOD. To whom you will consider great Hindi lovers. Whether more than 75% students those conversate in Hindi. Why the people of urban areas in Punjab conversate in Hindi. All of them are not Hindus. I have previously mentioned that the villagers or rural background students are not so influenced in Hindi language. But in the class 100% students conversate in Hindi even though they used to conversate in Punjabi language in their home.

I have already admitted that you can conversate in Punjabi language with 90% candidates in Punjab but why not they conversate usually in Punjabi language. I don’t deny that we can’t conversate in Punjabi language in Punjab, why not the students have liking in conversation in Punjabi language whereas they are conversant in conversation in Punjabi language.
The point is that what is the reason that why the students, teachers, staff and general public are more inclined to Hindi language than Punjabi.

Regards,
Rajneesh