Dinosaur and Dharma

Veera answers to the following best I can,

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Sinner ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write.

If you read the threads requested by me several times in this forum, you would have your answers by now.

Now, you have to walk the walk on your own after having talked the talked for quite sometime. Once you have studied them, then all questions can be answered and discussed.

Enjoy your journey.

Tejwant Singh

Veer Ji's,Personally again ,The source today is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ,My Dad gave me it in 4 part form, 19 years ago,I'm a mad musketeer but thats got to be better than going to threads for knowledge, how can I rely on another persons interpretation to be right? I must give it my honest understanding and then it is my honest belief ,if in doubt one should rely on another but our Scripture is straightforward, as Gyani Ji said it's for the man on the street ,so why rely on a scholar if I can read Gurmukhi with a little help, , Even the Mool Mantra has a few interpretations and they are all right just expressed differently .
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Again personal view only not meant to convert anyone .

Sinner ji,

Guru fateh.

Then you are all set. You have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in 4 volumes and if you do not have the OT, the NT and the Koran, which I am sure you can arrange if you have not studied them already.

Now, you can begin to answer your own questions and enlighten us with what you have learnt.

At the same time, you are also participating in creating this thread which others may read in the future and learn from it, the exercise you refuse to do yourself.

As I said before, enjoy your journey.

Tejwant Singh

Thanks for your input Ji ,without veteran members opinions I would have no discourse ,if a child can't trouble his elders who can he trouble?

Sinner ji,

Guru Fateh.

I do not want to get into a circular argument with you, but if you check both your posts above, you will notice your self contradictions. When asked to read the other threads, you claimed there was no need for it because, Gurbani is simple to comprehend,"how can I rely on another persons interpretation to be right"? and on the other side, you are seeking help "without veteran members opinions I would have no discourse".

I have no idea if Dharma, which means responsibility, has aged like the Dinosaurs.

Tejwant Singh

A Guru is someone who works with you to bring to a new level of understanding and practice. Morality - a good life - like art, music, science, is a skill that one can master through meeting a Guru. Morality is a skill and like all skills, it is present to some extent like art, etc but is improved further with added guidance from a Guru.

A Guru is someone who has mastered the skill himself. A martial arts Guru can only teach you martial arts if he is a master at it. A Guru who is the master of morality can thus teach you how to lead a good life.

Dinosaurs would also have to learn certain skills. T. rex would need to learn to hunt. Much of hunting behaviour is already there in creature. However, t. rex are not so social. So they are their own Gurus, they learn through trial and error, and experience. If they don't learn they starve to death.

Similarly, if you want to learn to play tabla, you can also learn it through trial and error. I know many artists who are self-taught. It is possible since rhythm, pattern and beat are already present in us but you will get more out of seeing a Guru who has mastered tabla himself. (In tabla circles, a Guru is called an Ustaad) With his experience, he can guide you to mastery faster than you can guide yourself.

A Guru cannot teach you if you do not listen to what he says and do as he instructs. If you block him off with your own ignorance that will not work either. Understanding from a Guru only comes when you surrender yourself to him, more specifically, the source of wisdom only he and other Gurus have access to (that should sound Abrahamic ).

As for rituals of praying and other ceremonies and rituals, they are a very complex human way of doing things. We have complex rituals around everything. A bird, the descendents of dinosaurs, does a simple ritual mating dance, to attract a mate. We go through pretty complex dances and finally have a finale to end it off, known as Anand Karaj. This ritual of getting married on its own is so complex. Birds have simple social behaviours, whereas, we have very complex ones, that's all. And we have always had rituals, we are just a ritualistic today as we were when we lived in caves.

Look at dinosaurs and dharma on a continuum where on one end there is simplicity and on the other end there is complexity. It will make more sense.

Someone else's opinion may help inform someone else's personal interpretation.

The forum should not exist if we are not supposed to have discourse on areas of confusion.
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It is not quite fair to say "read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji yourself and figure it out" all the time - then we wouldn't even need sangat or Gurbani classes or Gurbani.org or any articles on Naam or any other written material at all.

It is helpful for people who are not quite sure to get help from those who have more experience and hopefully more understanding (ie. veterans).