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Old 11-Dec-2007, 10:13 AM
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Old 11-Dec-2007, 11:51 AM
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I'm confused regarding the epic of Hanuman and the stone formation bridge which links Sri Lanka with India. Hindus belief that the rock formation built by Hanuman and his monkey-army couldn't be natural and are indeed the work of Hanuman. But there are many skeptics who think otherwise.

Second question, if there are existence of man-monkey creatures with such strength and intelligence, where are their descendants ? There are no evidence of fossile findings of such creatures.
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This may be where the Yeti fits in.
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Old 12-Dec-2007, 11:40 AM
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I believe in the freedom of practicing religion and what not.

And I hate preaching morality to others because I am hardly a beacon of morality myself... BUT .... as a humanist…some things just get me going.

instead of giving an offering to the gods why not give an offering to the poor.

I'm sure there is some kid in India suffering from a potassium deficiency that could have used that banana (or some kid going to bed hungry). Why not give them the banana?

Now, I’m not going to pick on just the Hindu’s… I wish to tell everyone a true story.

I saw something equally disturbing at a Gurdwara that I visited long ago. The Gurdwara I was present at had a podium made of marble stone where the Granth sahib sits while it is being read. The sole purpose of the podium is to elevate the Granth sahib above others and support a canopy complete with pillars (beautifully constructed). Every week when the Granth is supposedly “put to bed” (a ritual as fixated and ludicrous as any other) the 10 by 10 foot podium is washed with a fresh bucket of milk and then dried off with fresh towels (mind you, this is a MARBLE PODIUM). I watched in disarray as this took place, 10-15Liters of milk being wasted on Marble that in actuality is in desperate need of treatment with a small amount of cleaning agent and water.
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Once the cultic chanting coupled with the rhythmic swaying of the towels stopped the ritual was far from finished. A lady in her mid to elderly years took a dab of the milk and applied it to her forehead and smeared a large blob onto her son’s turban (despite his initial struggles to dodge the cupped hand).

So I assume she thinks this milk (that had been used to clean the podium) contains a concoction that will bless her and her son. This is obviously paganism at its core (the washing of the podium, The over-treatment of the Granth which is drowned in colorful silk/satin sheets and the application of liquids to the forehead, etc, etc).

But couldn’t that milk be put to a better use? Instead of washing a marble podium? Just a thought.

Judging from the actions of institutionalized rituals, it is difficult for a Sikh to internalize Guru Nanak’s message of simplicity. Especially when the daily Hukamnama is coming from a temple armored with gold.


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Old 12-Dec-2007, 14:37 PM
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Sinister Ji,

That's one way of looking at it.

I would say that what is applicable on the outside of us (mind, body and soul), is not applicable on the inside. And vice versa. Example, when we go out from our house to the streets, we wear shoes to protect our feet. The shoe takes on all the grim, dirt and dust and the outer layer of the shoes are soiled in similar fashion. But the inner layer of the shoes are clean just like our feet.
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Ok, now !!
When we come home, we put those shoes on the rack and come in without them. Because those shoes are of no use to us inside our clean home.

Next level,

For some, what is on the inside, the same thing for others is on the outer. And vice versa.
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Old 12-Dec-2007, 23:52 PM
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Hello Namjap ji

I read your post, i know its symbolism and it was radically different from your previous post, which was remarkably rational and enlightened.

Which included the question:
Second question, if there are existence of man-monkey creatures with such strength and intelligence, where are their descendants ? There are no evidence of fossile findings of such creatures.
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I think Hanuman is a pagan symbol....Just like the Physical granth acts as a pagan symbol for MANY sikhs. Or the Podium I talked of. Or holy-water (amrit).

these in my book are all initially symbols, which usually become fetishes.

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I believe in the freedom of practicing religion and what not.

And I hate preaching morality to others because I am hardly a beacon of morality myself... BUT .... as a humanist…some things just get me going.

instead of giving an offering to the gods why not give an offering to the poor.

I'm sure there is some kid in India suffering from a potassium deficiency that could have used that banana (or some kid going to bed hungry). Why not give them the banana?

Now, I’m not going to pick on just the Hindu’s… I wish to tell everyone a true story.

I saw something equally disturbing at a Gurdwara that I visited long ago. The Gurdwara I was present at had a podium made of marble stone where the Granth sahib sits while it is being read. The sole purpose of the podium is to elevate the Granth sahib above others and support a canopy complete with pillars (beautifully constructed). Every week when the Granth is supposedly “put to bed” (a ritual as fixated and ludicrous as any other) the 10 by 10 foot podium is washed with a fresh bucket of milk and then dried off with fresh towels (mind you, this is a MARBLE PODIUM). I watched in disarray as this took place, 10-15Liters of milk being wasted on Marble that in actuality is in desperate need of treatment with a small amount of cleaning agent and water.

Once the cultic chanting coupled with the rhythmic swaying of the towels stopped the ritual was far from finished. A lady in her mid to elderly years took a dab of the milk and applied it to her forehead and smeared a large blob onto her son’s turban (despite his initial struggles to dodge the cupped hand).

So I assume she thinks this milk (that had been used to clean the podium) contains a concoction that will bless her and her son. This is obviously paganism at its core (the washing of the podium, The over-treatment of the Granth which is drowned in colorful silk/satin sheets and the application of liquids to the forehead, etc, etc).

But couldn’t that milk be put to a better use? Instead of washing a marble podium? Just a thought.

Judging from the actions of institutionalized rituals, it is difficult for a Sikh to internalize Guru Nanak’s message of simplicity. Especially when the daily Hukamnama is coming from a temple armored with gold.


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Sinister whether you beleive it or not but here i fully agree with you.Food should not be wasted either as offering to god or cleaning something.

As far as giving it to poor is concerned here there is a problem.In india there is a big beggar mafia operate's which are very much active around religious places.giving food to poor will enhance this begging mafia and they will ruin the life of many children
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Sinister, aad ji, santokh singh ji
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18541

Here is an interesting life story of a devotee of hanuman.There was washerman who was a devotee of hanuman.He prayed to hanuman that his sons should be like him and beleive it or not.3 of his sons were born half humans and half monkeys

here is there picture

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These are not humans but they are also not monkeys.Science has no answer who are these.they are worshipped by many .they cannot speak.They just scream like monkeys.
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