Gurmukhi

Can some one tell me who and when invented Gurmukhi?
As we can see the om as written in Hindi. And Ek Om Kar in Gurmukhi. They are not same. Did Nanak wrote in Gurmukhi? It looks like
not. As I understand from the books. It was 2nd Guru who compiled not Nanak. I can not find any writing at the time of Nanak. So Nanak must have written in Hindi, Devnagri or brij. Which ever lip Nanak wrote it was not Gurmukhi. This ek omkar is written in Gurmukhi, Nanak did not write it then who wrote it?
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For some reason the image of OM and Ek omkar is not listed. I dont know why. But every one know what I am trying to show.

 
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Source : http://www.sikhyaseekers.net/word/TH...I%20SCRIPT.doc

I am pasting below some inportant points of the document :


Gurmukhi script, particularly its name 'Gurmukhi', irks some scholars beyond the limits of scholarly patience. Unfortunately some of these scholars do not know that it is a script and are completely ignorant of the history of Indian scripts. Others, who have reasonable information about the history of our scripts, simply pick up some letters from some old works and declare, "these letters were prevalent before the time of Guru Nanak, therefore, it is proved that Gurmukhi existed before the time of the Sikh Gurus." One such scholar is Mr. Chaman Lal, who in his article published in the Magazine, Indian Horizons' states....... Gurmukhi lineage is traced to Brahmi script. The Gurmukhi Script came into existence much before the advent of the Sikh Gurus."
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Mr Chaman Lal, whose remarks, that 'Gurmukhi lineage can be traced to Brahmi is correct. Now, when all of us know that the scripts of Indian origin have developed from Brahmi, it is but natural that some, if not all, letters of the old script do exist in the new from which has developed from the old one.
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It is therefore, correct that most of the letters of Gurmukhi did exist before the time of the Gurus, but the Gurmukhi script did not exist



Renowed palaeographer Gaurishankar Hira Chand Ojha, who is accepted as an authority on Indian scripts, accepts that Gurmukhi was given its present form by the Sikh Gurus, and also says that Takri and Gurinukhi both have originated from Sharda script. By comparing the charts of different scripts presented by him, we find that in general character Gurmukhi is nearer to Sharda than Takri, but it (Gurmukhi) has more letters common with Takri, than it has with Sharda.


While shaping this new alphabet Guru Angad ji retained some important characteristics of Indian palaeography :
a) He retained the system of representing vowel sounds with the symbols called matras or lagas.
b) Uniformity in height and length of letters was also kept intact - the height of q is the sole exception.
c) The method of representing vowel nasalization with binddi (and tippi)is also in conformity with Indian system.
d) The arrangement of letters of alphabet in accordance with the place of articulation is also according to scientific lines adopted by ancient Indian palaeographers.
c) As stated earlier Guru ji borrowed most of the letters from other Indian scripts.

AMAAZINNNGLY INTERESTING. THANK YOUUUUUUUUU! This is the kind of information that I feed on.

I simly asked if some one know of any writing of Gurmukhi at or before Guru Nanak. There is nothing in this artical that prove that gurmukhi was there before Nanak.If it was then sure there have to be some writing in the Gurmukhi. My second question was, did Nanak wrote in gurmukhi or some other language. If some other what was that language? Please copy the writing and put it here so we can see it. If not then it is only a belife thats all. What we can not accept it that Nanak wrote in hindi? Whats wrong with writing in hindi?

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The answer is: Hindi is a language not a script (writing system). Gurmukhi is a script (writing system) not a language.

Hindi, the language, is today written in the Devanagri script (writing system). In Guru Nanak's time it was probably written in Brahmi script.

Hindustani, Hindi, and Urdu have been written in several different scripts. Most Hindi texts are written in the Devanagari script, which is derived from the Brāhmī script of Ancient India. (from Wikipedia).

The article explains this point. Guru Nanak wrote in several scripts including Brahmi. The confusion caused by having several scripts was the major reason for adopting/modifying (thanks raj ji) Gurmukhi script. He could not have written anything in Hindi script because Hindi is not a script.

simly asked if some one know of any writing of Gurmukhi at or before Guru Nanak. There is nothing in this artical that prove that gurmukhi was there before Nanak
The document clearly states ..Gurmukhi lineage is traced to Brahmi script. The Gurmukhi Script came into existence much before the advent of the Sikh Gurus."

I request you to go through the document once again ..you will get a lot of information if not all

Devanāgarī alphabet for Hindi

Hindi alphabet, pronunciation and language
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Vowels and vowel diacritics


Consonants


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Numerals

aad jio I tried to explain this before, there is a difference between a script and a language but in vain. Thanks
Posted article by Raj Khalsa answers that very well. It doesn't matter what script Guru Nanak used, no one translated his writings.
I cannot write more that.

Brahmi script

Brahmi alphabet
Brahmi Alphabet

Origin

The Brahmi alphabet is the ancestor of most of the 40 or so modern Indian alphabets, and of a number of other alphabets, such as Khmer and Tibetan. It is thought to have been modelled on the Aramaic or Phoenician alphabets, and appeared in India sometime before 500 BC. Another theory is that Brahmi developed from the Indus or Harappa script, which was used in the Indus valley until about 2,000 BC.

The earliest known inscriptions in the Brahmi alphabet are those of King Asoka (c.270-232 BC), third monarch of the Mauryan dynasty.
Brahmi was used to write a variety of languages, including Sanskrit and Prakrit.
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Notable features

• The structure of the Brahmi alphabet is similar to that of modern Indian alphabets: each letters represents a consonant with a inherent vowels /a/. Other vowels were indicated using a variety of diacritics and separate letters.
• Letters are grouped according to the way they are pronounced.
• Many letters have more than one form.

Consonants
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Vowels and vowel diacritics