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My personal reaction is that this quote by Martin Luther King has been taken out of it original context, which is advocacy and the fight for social justice and equality.
Spnadmin ji To me a forum is a public place for discourse, I feel we should conduct ourselves accordingly,so I try not to question too much or dissect as you would not do that normally in polite conversation,I also take a post as just an opinion,and not as a posit.I do feel however the style of discourse very often resembles cross examination in a court room,so I guess the context of advocacy is reasonably fitting.

On the matter of quotes,it is very difficult to quote someone and further make sure it fits perfectly in the discourse,so we can either rarely quote great writers or we can use quotes and make bold a line or two that in ones opinion might be relevant.

If someone feels a quote or post is not relevant or out of context they can simply ignore it,it is not necessary to explain a quote ,as it is not meant to prove or teach a point.As it happens i just love quotes ,I hope that others may find them interesting and that is the extent of my use,I would not use anothers writing to prove a point and have no inclination to prove a point either.

I just say it as I see it,I could say the quotes you used are out of context but I shall not ,as it is your choice and if you tried to prove a point with them then that is quite ok.

As admin has acted for the defence then I shall and now take the role of the prosecution.

I would first ask the honourable gentleman have you whilst visiting Israel ever met a Rabbi in a public place ,and then dared to tell him that he lied to you in your first conversation with him ,and further question him as to why he has continued to accept the hospitality and business opportunities offered in Israel ,especially in light of the fact that he is so opposed to their policies in the Middle East, is that not hypocrisy?




 
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Sp Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

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As admin has acted for the defence then I shall and now take the role of the prosecution.

I would first ask the honourable gentleman have you whilst visiting Israel ever met a Rabbi in a public place ,and then dared to tell him that he lied to you in your first conversation with him ,and further question him as to why he has continued to accept the hospitality and business opportunities offered in Israel ,especially in light of the fact that he is so opposed to their policies in the Middle East, is that not hypocrisy?
Let's be honest here for a change. You are being unfair to the administrators of this wonderful forum and it is uncalled for. Spnadmin ji puts many hours here out of true love for Sikhi despite very busy life. You have falsely accused Spnadmin ji of defending someone which makes no sense. Spnadminji only mentioned that the quote you posted was out of context about the discussion being held, and I happen to agree with that which I have mentioned further down in my post.

An apology to the Spnadmin ji is in order. Spnadmin ji deserves all the accolades the way this forum works.

Your posts are full of your own opinions and many times off the mark of the Gurmat values. When you write something like that, do not demand from others to ignore what you wrote. All have the right to express their 2 cent worth on your thoughts as it is an open forum where no post is moderated, which is very rare in these kinds of forums. If you do not want your opinions to be challenged, then do not write them. Simply put.

I wanted to ignore your post to avoid any circular argument because for me your statement about MLK has nothing to do about what is being discussed.

Btw, have you studied the OT, which is the Jewish Torah? If you have not then take a glimpse of it on the internet.

Now, I want you to be honest as you claim to seek the truth, if the latter part of your post is directed to me, then have the courage and address it to me so I can respond to it. And same goes for your future posts too. Cowardice is not a Sikhi trait.

One last thing, this is not a court room. It is a forum for interaction and learning from each other. it has worked like that since its inception. So stop with your nonsense.


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Let's be honest here for a change.
Veer Ji The Musketeers and the twenty always stick together,so must Moderators and Administrators,I would expect no less and it is no without honour,ofcourse the last part is aimed at yourself,but applies to all,Rabbi's don't come along everyday and offer their help,I'm not sure but perhaps he was the first and I would have liked to have learnt more from him.

Your business is your own but you did mention hypocrisy and myself in the same sentence and I'm a firm believer in reciprocity,especially if the outcome is we refine ourselves ,although it might be percieved as disrespectful,I'm to young to instruct you,so a child can only upset his elders .

I am the person that I would like to be,to me that is all a man can be,I respectfully ask that new members be given time to find their footing and that we become a forum of discourse and not dissection.
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Rabbi's don't come along everyday and offer their help,I'm not sure but perhaps he was the first and I would have liked to have learnt more from him.
What makes us think a person is a Rabbi? Did speak or write with a touch of clarity about Judaism, so I learnt a few things.The handle "xxxxx 007" does not feel much like a Rabbi. It could be someone with ulterior motives to bring out Sikhs against Israel sentiment. I heard the Sikhs were getting very close with Israel and then this was thwarted by intervention of politicians from India. I got no proof of this though.

I am just chilling on this one

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Old 04-Nov-2011, 01:14 AM
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Dear Rabbi,

I hope you are still around and reading this. This whole thread is a shining example of how we Sikhs disagree and argue and counter argue, at least online. It could be used as a whole education, if you take it that way.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/judaism/37398-ask-a-rabbi-anything.html

Having said that, I actually do have a question about Judaism. I promise to be respectful and polite. Sikhi has very few rules. We are instead given principles and expected to use our own good sense to implement them. In Judaism, you have so many rules; I couldn't begin to remember them, much less actually live by them.

In your concept of the Deity, why is he/it so concerned with the minutia of everyday life? What difference does it make to the Creator how you tie your shoes?

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SP ji,

Guru Fateh

Thanks for the response and I see no apology coming from you to
Spnadmin ji.

Yes, let's be honest.

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The Musketeers and the twenty always stick together,so must Moderators and Administrators,I would expect no less and it is no without honour,
1. What made you think or conclude that I am a Moderator or an Administrator or is it one more part of your imagination?

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you did mention hypocrisy and myself in the same sentence and I'm a firm believer in reciprocity
2. Where did I accuse you of the above?


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Spnadmin ji To me a forum is a public place for discourse, I feel we should conduct ourselves accordingly,so I try not to question too much or dissect as you would not do that normally in polite conversation,I also take a post as just an opinion,and not as a posit.I do feel however the style of discourse very often resembles cross examination in a court room,so I guess the context of advocacy is reasonably fitting.

On the matter of quotes,it is very difficult to quote someone and further make sure it fits perfectly in the discourse,so we can either rarely quote great writers or we can use quotes and make bold a line or two that in ones opinion might be relevant.

If someone feels a quote or post is not relevant or out of context they can simply ignore it,it is not necessary to explain a quote ,as it is not meant to prove or teach a point.As it happens i just love quotes ,I hope that others may find them interesting and that is the extent of my use,I would not use anothers writing to prove a point and have no inclination to prove a point either.

I just say it as I see it,I could say the quotes you used are out of context but I shall not ,as it is your choice and if you tried to prove a point with them then that is quite ok.

As admin has acted for the defence then I shall and now take the role of the prosecution.

I would first ask the honourable gentleman have you whilst visiting Israel ever met a Rabbi in a public place ,and then dared to tell him that he lied to you in your first conversation with him ,and further question him as to why he has continued to accept the hospitality and business opportunities offered in Israel ,especially in light of the fact that he is so opposed to their policies in the Middle East, is that not hypocrisy?
Please do not push your luck veerjio. The duties of admin are listed at this link.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/announ...ors-forum.html

SPN is not a court of law. There is no defense, no prosecution. It is a place to learn. Let's keep it learned. And let's refrain from trying to redefine the purpose, culture and norms of SPN to suit our personal needs.

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Admin I suggest you do what you feel to be right ,without threatening to do so,if I need moderating then no one is safe from it. In any case I have already done my penance and watched a full episode of Saathiya,I hope that is enough to appease you.
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