Why Not Halal Meat?

Lucy Ahmed · #1 (**permalink**) 01-May-2008, 13:29 PM

Can anyone please clear this matter with me:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/21309-why-not-halal-meat.html

Why halal meat is not allow in Sikh religion?

me, the ignorant
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Randip Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 01-May-2008, 15:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy Ahmed

Can anyone please clear this matter with me:
Why halal meat is not allow in Sikh religion?
me, the ignorant

Its no only Halal meat but any sacrificed meat. This would include Kosher and even Bali (which is a Hindu sacrifice). All these forms of slaughter have one thing in common and that is sacrifice in the name of God or to God. According to Sikhism, God requires no such appeasement or sacrifice.

The term Sikhs use for ritual purification id "Kuttha".

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #3 (**permalink**) 01-May-2008, 19:12 PM

Exact and aptly put Randip singh jio.
There is no anti-muslim "bias" implied in this rule of "no hallal". This rule applies equally to all sacrificial rituals of all religions as Gurmatt doesnt beleive in sacrifice to appease. We ask His Wish be done/His Approval and Thanks for the food He provides.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21309
2. Guru nanak ji also declares that "Praya Haak - other's rights is what is really HARAM (not Hallal). To a Muslim eating the meat of the PIG and to a Hindu the meat of a Cow would be equivalent of Taking/grabbing ones neighbours haak/rightful property etc.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21309
Today ( also during Guru nanak Jis time ) Many seemingly holy and faithful muslims/pandits/kazis/mullahs/brahmins etc etc would abstain very VISIBLY and VIGOROUSLY from..Beef or PORK....BUT never even think twice about grabbing anothers land/cheat/rob/give false wittness/steal/commit adultery/rape/murder/pillage etc. Guru nank Ji saw this HYPOCRICY and spoke out strongly at this...Rajeh Sheehn Mukaddam kutteh... the Kings are Lions and their Adminstrators are DOGS..the Kazis take bribes and give out distorted judgements...the Pandits eat hallal meat of the muslims and call them malechhas/dirty/unclean behind their backs..etc etc. in front of them they speak their language Farsee/Persian/Arabic.proudly to show off..BUT then.. call it abakhiyah ( bad/uncean/ungodly langauge) in private !!!

Regards

Gyani jarnail Singh

Astroboy · #4 (**permalink**) 02-May-2008, 23:27 PM

Probably it's just a matter of practice. Practise it over and over again and we get good at it. It's not so much about good or bad, but where in gurbani does it mention that it is ok to own animals and over use them for profit ?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21309
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21309
Why did Guru Nanak write asankh moorakh..... pauri - maybe because he had nothing else to do.

Sikh80 · #5 (**permalink**) 02-May-2008, 23:44 PM

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Originally Posted by namjap

Why did Guru Nanak write asankh moorakh..... pauri - may be because he had nothing else to do.

Kindly quote full paudi for the general understanding of all. U are missing the context friend.

What is that u mean by that is highlighted?

We all do expect a bare minimal respect for Guru sahibs.

Narayanjot Kaur · #6 (**permalink**) 03-May-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by namjap

Probably it's just a matter of practice. Practise it over and over again and we get good at it. It's not so much about good or bad, but where in gurbani does it mention that it is ok to own animals and over use them for profit ?
Why did Guru Nanak write asankh moorakh..... pauri - maybe because he had nothing else to do.

Sikh80 ji,

When NamJap wrote the comments above, I think he was speaking with a little bit of irony. Individuals can become deaf, dumb and blind to their own behavior because of doing things repeatedly without awareness. And if you or I or anyone were to call this to their attention they would say "Are your Crazy, Who Me, Are Your Talking to Me?" All because they, we, I, all are subject to fall into patterns of thought and behavior. Over time, one begins to see this as normal and excusable. That is why rituals get confused with ethics, morality, spiritual growth. With a ritual one has taken care of things, and with rituals one does not have to be aware. There is only the burden of the ritual, and that is that. When the ritual is complete, a person can rest his brains and heave a sigh of relief. All done! Rituals instead of awareness make life easier and take away the burden of looking inward and feeling guilt. They have a certain efficiency about them.

Astroboy · #7 (**permalink**) 03-May-2008, 01:31 AM

One might have seen Shrek where the donkey (Eddie Murphy's Dubbed voice) plays the part in enhancing the humour. I wonder what Guru Nanak's response would be after seeing this video:-
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21309

YouTube - Donkey Lift

Narayanjot Kaur · #8 (**permalink**) 03-May-2008, 01:36 AM

I like that flag!!! It is totally cool.

NamJap ji,

My own opinion, from glimpses every now and then, in the Bani of Guru Nanak and also the stories of his life is this. Guru Nanak had a BIG sense of humor. His humor is not about making fun of people or laughing like a braying donkey -- a very quick wit that saw the absurdities of life. This is what draws me to him again and again. He would have figured SPN in a second and told us right from wrong with wit and kindness.

Astroboy · #9 (**permalink**) 03-May-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Kindly quote full paudi for the general understanding of all. U are missing the context friend.

What is that u mean by that is highlighted?

We all do expect a bare minimal respect for Guru sahibs.

Guru Nanak's bani is our Guru, not his personality, physical self nor his other opinions. So you may ask, then why bother wondering about his opinion ? Good question - but sorry I beat you to it, Sikh80 because I asked the question not you.

and my answer to my question would be - should wonder what a friend, companion like Guru Nanak would think after seeing the donkey lift video - he would simply point the asankh moorakh pauri to me.
Others might disagree - so if you disagree, then would it mean that Guru Nanak, the individual human being would have written another verse ? Even if he did, that verse wouldn't be our Guru as it isn't likely to appear in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.