Do members of creation really need humans?

Ambarsaria · #1 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 01:45 AM

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Life will be just fine with or withour saviors for most life forms.

Why do humans thinks they are somehow special and need third parties to keep them going?
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Isn't eat, sleep and be merry not enough just like most other forms of life. I believe it may be in large part true.

Any comments.
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Kanwaljit Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 02:12 AM

A bird still eats a worm. Why do you think we don't need third parties? Yes our basic needs have been exaggerated from simply eat and sleep to the countless desires and wishes we have now. I am still not sure what you are pointing at with third party~

Scarlet Pimpernel · #3 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 02:33 AM

Mighty Musketeer ,Thats a my kind of random question, maybe humans cannot stay merry because they need Soul food and not belly food.

Ambarsaria · #4 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

A bird still eats a worm. Why do you think we don't need third parties? Yes our basic needs have been exaggerated from simply eat and sleep to the countless desires and wishes we have now. I am still not sure what you are pointing at with third party~
Like Jesus, Krishna, Rama, Buddha, etc.,

Did creator give Goats a version of this or only us need such or not need such at all!

My understanding is you don't need none of the above named but understanding of creation all around and as much as possible.

Sat Sri Akal.

Kanwaljit Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 02:41 AM

None of the Prophets were third parties per se. All of them were in a way One of Us.

Goats probably had many saintly beings amongst them. But they could never write down their legacy and teachings.
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Anyway we humans never bothered about knowing what the goats talk about!

Ambarsaria · #6 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

None of the Prophets were third parties per se. All of them were in a way One of Us.

Goats probably had many saintly beings amongst them. But they could never write down their legacy and teachings.

Anyway we humans never bothered about knowing what the goats talk about!

Kanwaljit Singh ji so the question becomes as to do most life forms innately have ability to understand and live in consonance and we are born with it but then destroy it and then again some try to get back to it?

Sat Sri Akal.

Kanwaljit Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 03:10 AM

Hmm Gurbani says that we get a chance to meet Waheguru in Human life, a chance which most of us are wasting. I am not sure if the chance to do good karma is zero or almost zero in animal life. But animals don't do bad karma either. Are they rules by 5 vices? Maybe. I have seen dog snatching bones from other dogs? Perhaps they don't even have a chance of thinking that Kam Krodh Lobh Moh Ahankar are killing them. They are sentient. They feel pain when someone snatches their bone or they are hurt.
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The fact we can't differentiate what makes us human from animals shows we are unaware of the worth of human life.

Ambarsaria · #8 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwaljit Singh

Hmm Gurbani says that we get a chance to meet Waheguru in Human life, a chance which most of us are wasting. I am not sure if the chance to do good karma is zero or almost zero in animal life. But animals don't do bad karma either. Are they rules by 5 vices? Maybe. I have seen dog snatching bones from other dogs? Perhaps they don't even have a chance of thinking that Kam Krodh Lobh Moh Ahankar are killing them. They are sentient. They feel pain when someone snatches their bone or they are hurt.

The fact we can't differentiate what makes us human from animals shows we are unaware of the worth of human life.
Assigning worth and determining worth of one or others is egoistic activity and laden with good elements of Kam, Karodh, Lobh, Moh and Ahankar?

Knowing oneself is the only element needed in Sikhism through understanding, knowing superiority of one life form over another is not Sikhism.

This is a basic flaw in the application of Sikhism religious thought through preachers.

It is also a fundamental flaw in Abrahamic religions. The hierarchies in Hinduism are no better either in same aspect.

Sat Sri Akal.

Kanwaljit Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2011, 03:26 AM

I agree. But the problem is comparing need for Prophets or third parties in case of animals. I believe everything fits into place with whatever everyone is doing. The dogs and lions and elephants go upon doing what they are supposed to do anyway! We may think we are better than animals. Wolves may think they can hunt better than dogs. In the end they just come and go in thinking.