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Today I was reading a topic on another site and I was surprised That population of sikhs at the time of maharaja Ranjit singh was around 8-10 million and after that it was reduced to just 10-20% of original population
Then I searched net and found 2 very good sites on this
http://www.advancedcentrepunjabi.org...OPULATION.html
No census was taken during those days and no exact or near exact figures can be computed from any sources of information available today, but a general estimate has come down the generations that Sikh population in what then constituted Raṇjīt Siṅgh's Punjab was around ten million. But with the fall of the Sikh Kingdom in 1849, there set in a rapid decline in the numerical strengh of the community. As the Punjab Administration Report for the year 1851-52 issued by the British noted:

The Sikh faith and ecclesiastical polity is rapidly going where the Sikh political ascendancy has already gone. Of the two elements in the old Khalsa, namely, the followers of Nanuck, the first prophet, and the followers of Guru Govind Singh, the second great religious leader, the former will hold their ground, and the latter will lose it. The Sikhs of Nanuck, a comparatively small body of peaceful habits and old family, will perhaps cling to the faith of their fathers; but the Sikhs of Govind who are of more recent origin, who are more specially styled the Singhs or "lions", and who embraced the faith as being the religion of warfare and conquest, no longer regard the Khalsa now that the prestige has departed from it.

These men joined in thousands, and they now desert in equal numbers. They rejoin the ranks of Hinduism whence they originally came, and they bring up their children as Hindus....



The first demographical survey in Punjab was carried out as on the night intervening between 31 December 1854 and 1 January 1955. Detail of Sikh population was recorded only in respect of the Lahore division, "which contains the Mājhā or the original home of the Sikhs" and there they were found to be only about 200,000 in an aggregate population of about three million. Referring to this fact, the Punjab Administration Report for the year 1955-56 commented:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/history-of-sikhism/26485-population-sikhs-time-maharaja-ranjit-singh.html

This circumstance strongly corroborates what is commonly believed, namely that the Sikh tribe is losing numbers rapidly. Modern Sikhism was little more than a political association (formed exclusively from among Hindus), which men would join or quit according to the circumstances of the day... Now that the Sikh commonwealth is broken up, people cease to be initiated into Sikhism and revert to Hindooism. Such is the undoubted explanation of a statistical fact, which might otherwise appear to be hardly credible.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26485



Besides large scale reversion into the Hindu fold, Christian proselytization, with overt government aid and encouragement, was also making inroads, especially among the backward classes. In the enumeration made in the Punjab including the cis-Sutlej princely states in 1868, Sikhs numbered only 1,141,848. In the first regular census of 1881, the Sikh figure stood at 1,853,426. Thereafter, the decennial censuses reflected a steady increase in Sikh population. This upward trend was largely the result of the Siṅgh Sabhā reform movement launched in 1873. The figures are :

The other I found i an e-book written by william owen

The Sikhs: their religious beliefs ... - Google Books

Its surprising how people shunned sikhism when empire of maharaja declined




 
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What is really fascinating in this article is the idea that there were Sikhs of Nanak and Sikhs of Govind. This is the same as the idea today of the Sikhs of the Temple and the Sikhs of the Sword. How were there 2 different groups of Sikhs?
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imho..Sikhs of Nanak-Guru teg bahadur Ji... are those who cant/wont keep Kesh....they like to call themselves the "clean shaven sikhs..modern sikhs !! or sehajdharees..
The other group is of course the Khalsa Amrtidharees, and the Keshdharees...Guru Gobind Singh ji..
1. During Turbulent Times..just like the Huge "armies" of the Muslims were composed of what is referred to as Mulkhaiyah..ordinary civilians following along for the loot/pillaging..
so were the huge follwoing of Baba Banda Singh. The Victor will always get the larger following..who wants to follow a loser.
2. When Maharaja Ranjit Singh came to power..HE had lots of Hindus and Mulsims in hsi administration..and of course many people just became instant sikhs to take advantage of Sikh rule...the Dogras are a prime example..they rose to high posts and were the First TRAITORS when it became clear the Maharaja was dead and the British were the next rulers.. then there was an EXODUS..of these to leave sikhism...and revert back..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26485
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26485
Imho such behaviour is natural and happens to all..at the peak of its power the British Empire was the Driving Force behind Christianity spreading..similarly Islam spread by force through its rulers...only difference being the Maharaja ranjit Singh didnt use any force or even active persuasion to convert.
3. The Malaysian experience..in the early parts of 20th century..the British and Malayan Govts would ONLY recruit SIKHS..and also Muslims such as Pathans and Gurkhas for the army, police force etc. These were the so called Martial Races...thus the HINDU had no chance even if he was PUNJABI...so many PUNJABI HINDUS...Brahmins Banniahs etc Converted to SIKHISM, had full Keshas and dastaars etc to JOIN the Army, Police. Some remained sikh..mnay reverted abck at the earliest opportunity becasue the conversion to sikhi was for a certain purpose only. MY village in Punjab had four such Brahmins who came to malaya to join the Police and they became Sikhs..two families are still sikh..two became Hindus when they no longer needed Govt Jobs..
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Here is what is written in book of william owen
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When Maharaja Ranjit Singh came to power..HE had lots of Hindus and Mulsims in hsi administration..and of course many people just became instant sikhs to take advantage of Sikh rule...the Dogras are a prime example..they rose to high posts and were the First TRAITORS when it became clear the Maharaja was dead and the British were the next rulers.. then there was an EXODUS..of these to leave sikhism...and revert back..
Mahraja Ranjit singh was quite Hinduised and there was hardly any case of forced conversions by sikhs.What incentive Maharaja was giving to these people? May be there was just a mass hysteria of becoming sikh at that time and later on they just reverted back
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Maharaja Ranjit Singh gave many times more GOLD to Hindu mandirs than he ever gave to Harmandir Sahib...
He also built more mosques than any muslim governor..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26485
He had many many more HINDUS?muslims in his top Cabinet...his PM was a Hindu dogra Dhian Singh, His Top Commanders were dogra brothers laal singh Teja Singh (Both of whom turned traitor during the anglosikh wars later on)..His Finance Minister was Fakir Azizuddin..the SIKHS were at the FRONTIERS FIGHTING Battles..Hari Singh nalwa..in Peshawar..and Akali Phula Singh in Multan..Sham Singh Atari etc were all out of Lahore most of the time..and kept out through consiparcy.
There NEVER was any Forced or even MILD persuasion to convert..and neither is there at any period of Sikh history.No incentives of any kind either...just military service that can lead to death on the battle field...
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But still sikhism Spread Like wildfire at his time.
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Just to add My ancestors too converted it at that time.I asked this question to one of my family elder when I was in teens
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I am just in awe of the readings and the conversation. So interesting. So many puzzles. So much that is new to me. And really, it was not that long ago.
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Many of these people who served in the Khalsa armies were still alive..and their immediate descendants still can be found in some villages as old men..till not long ago..
When the young Karam Singh Historian began his task of researching sikh/Punjab history fo teh Maharaja Ranjit Singh Era, several of these old timers were alive and he interviewd a few...and tons of Court documents diaries etc were being kept by ordinary people and then being sold as junk to the junkyards for recycling (called arddee - rubbish) as no one appreciated such papers...so much of valuable docs just lost this way...SIKH wealthy and Sikh Royals are notorious for not caring about such...no Royal kept any library or museum etc..thye were into collecting jewels and gold ornaments..BUT not Paper "jewels"...
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