Giani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen Puts in Perspective Role of Some Hindus in Sikh History

Had I said this a number of forum members including Admin would be abusing me but it is the Respected Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji who is sayng this with proof :


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Also remember who Chandu,Gangu,Lakhpat rai,Suchanand and Baidhaar kings were .Read Sikh history.

 
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For everybody's info who were either not there in the 1980/90's or were born after that ,after eliminating a whole generation of Amritdhari Sikhs calling them terrorists,it was the hindu lobby which coined the slogan "Garv say kaho hum hindu hain" and distributed Stickers and posters with these slogans all over Punjab.
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When countering that Sikh youth made the slogan "Proud to be Sikh" ,they were labelled as anti national and traitors .

Sikhs have always believed in "Sarbat daa bhalaa" as enshrined in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ,which is real secularism according to International standards(not Indian standards)whereas the akritghans have always had enemity towards Sikhs whenever they try to prove their unique identity and say that Sikhs are not Hindus.
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The best way to counter them is to keep intact our unique identity,be proud of it and reject all manmatt baahmanvaadi practices.

Always remember :

Sikhs are not Hindus

Also rememember even Guru Gobind Singh ji whom these akritghans are trying to prove(unsuccessfuly)that he worshipped deitys and demons has said :

"Khatri koo puut hoon,baahman ko naahi...."

Look at this Hindu girl preaching hatred :


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If they do it is alright,Hindus give silent encouragement by keeping quite .

She is calling herself and hindus as Singhs and is also mentioning Indra Gandhi.

If any non hindu says even 1/4 of this he is called Anti National and desh drohi and the Indian media blows it out of proportion.

Now compare this with what this forum member Vijaydeep "Singh" said in one of his earlier posts that he trained "Hindu militants" asked them to call themselves "Singh" .

RSS is getting on my nerves .I am having sleepless nights.Something has to be done .

kee_jaana__mein__kaun ji

If you are now at the point where you cannot sleep at night, then something needs to happen where you give you permission to find a vein of peace and serenity within your own heart and soul.

When RSS is gone, something else will take its place. That is the way of the world. That is why Guru Nanak tells us that we are living in a nightmare - Oh Man! You have awakened from a nightmare - but only when you see Who is really in command.

Obviously I am not recommending fatalism nor I am recommending pacifism or some kind of corny theory that we should love love love and all evil will vanish from the face of the earth. I am not. But I must sincerely ask you why all Hindus must be tarred with suspicion and guilt. That has not been my experience. This is not about all Hindus. It is about a political movement that has been picking up steam, now for about the 4th time since the raj left Indian soil. The Indian media that fans the flames -- well we know which papers and e-sites they are. It is not the entire Indian media. And you know as well as I do that there are Sikhs who have thrown their lot with RSS.

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We have to acknowledge that RSS has had poisonous effects. However being fixated on RSS achieves nothing, and expends valuable energy that can be used to move a Sikh agenda in a different direction. The causes of this poison are economic, political and social -- as well as historical. The solutions have to come about economically, politically and socially, so that RSS becomes irrelevant. We have to make them irrelevant. In the meanwhile, Sikhs must take control of their own situation and forge a relentless path to educate one another. Waiting for "hindus" to change is not the answer. Calling attention to outlandish claims and redirecting the discourse so that the young are not mislead may be a better approach.

Narayanjot Kaur ji,You wrote "But I must sincerely ask you why all Hindus must be tarred with suspicion and guilt"

Here is a counter question :
Why were and still are ALL Sikhs seen with suspicion and guilt in Punjab ?

Do you have any idea on how many Sikhs(not a single hindu) have been arrested since the dera issue began without any charge ?Which Hindu comes out to speak for them ?

Do you know that 30,000 Hindutva camps are held all over India daily ?Not a single Sikh camp is held anywhere in India.

It is easy to speak from abroad, come here in Punjab and see how we are subjected to something anti Sikh continously.

Sikhs have always wanted to live with love,peace and in a secular tradition .When your house is burning will you keep quite ?I am reminded of an old true story when the mughals invaded India the Hindu pandits said they would chant such mantars that the whole Moghal army will go blind and asked others not to do anything and sit quitely.
The result was no one was left alive.
Will Sikhs do such a thing like this despite knowing that the enemy is very cunning ?

If I am wearing a turban today in Punjab it is all due to the kurbani of my kharkoo veers .Had they not struggled for 10 years and taught the akritghans a lesson we would not be like what we are today.Those Sikhs who cut their hair in Punjab do so according to their wish,not fear.

If your Hindu friends are so good and secular ask them to say praise Sant Bhindranwale and say Khalistan Zindabad and let us know the response in this forum.

If we are having a sleepless night today then even the govt in Delhi is not resting peacefully as today they saw Khalistan posters outside Gurdwara Bangla Sahib and Gurdwara Rakabganj.

Although the police removed those posters by night similar posters have been posted in Fatehgarh Sahib for over a week now .Four days back the akritghans gave an ultimatum of 24 hours to remove those posters or they will tear them down.They have not have had the guts to remove those posters till today not because of Punjab govt but because of Singhs.

If we are having sleepless nights then even they will also not be allowed to sleep peacefully.

You say "When RSS is gone, something else will take its place. "Similarly when one Singh organisation goes another will take it's place.

RSS Sikhs are not Sikhs.No Sikh will visit Gurdwara as well as mandir or believe in dieties and demons.

Sikhs should have the guts to speak the truth like Amarjit Singh who is speaking in front of non other than Indian journalist Kuldip Nayyar :


This is another great Sikh whom we can never forget :

kee_jaana_mein_kaunji

First of all you are asking me questions that don't need to be asked. I keep a running collection of articles on Hindutva and the activities of RSS -- going back to the start of the movement. Secondly, I have taken on more than my share of the burden arguing with RSS agents and sympathizers here at SPN -- when others did not. I have been criticized for doing it. You were not an active member when those criticisms were tendered. Third, I have been insulted and assaulted by email more times than you can imagine by Sikhs who think RSS is great! Fourth, I have been accused of being a supporter and protector of Khalistani terrorists -- because I have silenced RSS voices here on the forum. These assaults continued unabated for months.
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Of course you could not have known that -- at the same time, do not assume you know everything about me. Please do not forget that we are allies not enemies.

Your reply to my question with another question follows:

Here is a counter question :
Why were and still are ALL Sikhs seen with suspicion and guilt in Punjab ?

Do you have any idea on how many Sikhs(not a single hindu) have been arrested since the dera issue began without any charge ?Which Hindu comes out to speak for them ?

Do you know that 30,000 Hindutva camps are held all over India daily ?Not a single Sikh camp is held anywhere in India.

It is easy to speak from abroad, come here in Punjab and see how we are subjected to something anti Sikh continously.

Your take on Hindutva camps is true. Your reply however has nothing whatsoever to do with my question and in fact side-steps it. Hindus have spoken out in major media venues against Hindutva.
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Last -- You are right. It is easy to speak from abroad, as you are speaking to me from abroad. I am also affected by what is happening abroad in India. The laws of India reach around the globe, as do the emails and phone calls from RSS supporters. They are as inflexible toward others and as angry at me for contradicting them as you are angry with me. And all I am asking is that you refrain from tarring all Hindus.

It is by the way a violation of the Terms of Service to post as you have. I have been very patient about enforcing these rules. Now I am asking you to reconsider your need to express disrespect for others in such an indiscriminate way.

Given the title of this thread states, Hindus Have Been Enemies of Sikhs from the Beginning as expressed by Sant Singh Gyani Maskeen ji, it becomes difficult to avoid negative statements about "hindus." The subject of the thread almost insures that this is going to happen. On the other hand, we can avoid declaring open warfare on the Hindu religion.

Let's review the forum rules that apply here so we do not forget them.
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During 1984, in Delhi, when masses of ignorant idiots who CLAIMED to be religious began ruthlessly killing Sikhs, remember there were also Hindu neighbours and friends who assisted Sikhs because they weren't blinded by hatred. They saw past the politics, past the divisons and decided that their REAL religion was to help those in need...they saw that red is the color we all bleed.Those who practice their religion truly, see all of humanity as one, and see the suffering of other human beings at the hands of cruel powerhoarders (WHATEVER RELIGION THEY MAY CLAIM TO BELONG TO), as their own...Why else would Guru Teg Bhadur Ji have sacrificed their life? What was the need????
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If you cannot see past the narrow divions of "religion", its no surprise you get no sleep at night...

Had I been totally anti Hindu I would not have given direct links to 2 videos of Sant Bhindranwale by a Punjabi Hindu in one of my earlier posts.

Hindus keep harping Sikhs are Hindus but they should remember Muslims and Jews are descendants of common ancestors Azra and Isra and look at their relations now.

If RSS and Hindutva inspired Hindus and Sikhs(pagridhari hindus) continue to interfere in our religion the relations between Sikhs and Hindus will become more dangerous than even Muslims and Jews.

Sikhs have never tolerated interference in our religion be it moghals,afghans,english or bahmans.

No Muslim ever likes to be be even remotely linked to Jews.

Remember no Muslim country can easily overtake Israel although it is a small country.Kosovo is a small land locked country which has been declared "No Fly zone" and no country is allowed to fly it's fighter planes over Kosovo.One of the best pals of India was "Yugoslavia" out of which Kosovo was carved out.Look at what has happened to Yugoslavia.Same is the case with another good friend of India Soviet Union.This is for those who raise questions on Khalistan.

We do not want to live at the mercy of others or be seen as victims next time pogroms occur.We want to be masters of our own destiny.
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Remember Indians were also called terrorists by the English.So if Sikhs are called similarly by the bahmanvaadi forces then so be it.Look at the irony on the one hand they say Sikhs are Hindus on the other hand they call Sikh terrorists .

Sant ji describes "chappli wala Sikhs" like today's RSS in the following videos.Characteristics of RSS is threatening other Sikhs in words like "sodh dyaangay" .Even Dhumma used these words for other Sikhs.Eh taan time dasoo kaun kinu sodh daa hai but Sant Ji says :


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He says :

"Mein Shareerak maut nu maut nahi mandaa,zameer daa mernaa yakeekan maut hai.."
"Physical death I do not fear,but death of conscious(zameer) is sure death"

The above video also shows that even Sant Bhindranwale was not anti Hindu but it was the activities of the akritghans which made his stand tough.

The person who inherited Sant Bhindranwale's legacy is now exposed in Punjab.It is now known that Dhumma was once in California and was later sent to Damdami Taksal to fool the Sikhs.He is same person who give milk to butcher of Sikhs KP Gill .

Dhumma is perhaps now the undeclared head of Rashtriya Sikh Sangat(RSS) in Punjab now.But Dhumma learnt about his popularity recently when he took out a "vishaal ros march" from Fatehgarh Sahib to Chandigarh no one accompanied him except for 10-12 people of the "Saadh laana"

Admin : this topic is not against any particular individual and is relevant with the heading also.