Action Against Those Honoring Ragi Likely

] Action against those honouring Ragi likely


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Akal Takht Jathedar Gurbachan Singh on Wednesday hinted at summoning certain Panthic leaders on the charge of honouring the excommunicated Prof Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa at a congregation in Chandigarh on Tuesday.
Speaking to HT, Giani Gurbachan Singh said he was collecting details on what happened at the event, adding action would certainly be taken on receiving a formal complaint in this regard.

In a hukamnama (edict) issued recently, five Sikh high priests had ordained the Sikh community to sever all relations with Ragi as he had been excommunicated from the Sikh Panth on the charge of blasphemy.
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The clergy had also warned of stringent action against those who did not follow the edict and established any contact with Ragi.
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However, disregarding the edict, several leaders of splinter Akali factions and hardliners, besides some "intellectuals", not only shared food with Ragi but also honoured him.

Among those who attended the function were Haryana Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (ad hoc) leader Didar Singh Nalvi, Justice Ajit Singh Bains (retd), Giani Jagtar Singh, advocate Navkiran Singh, Satnam Singh Paonta Sahib of the Dal Khalsa, Jaswant Singh Mann, Prof Gurdarshan Singh Dhillon, retired IAS officer Gurtej Singh, and Rajinder Singh of the Shiromani Khalsa Panchayat.

 
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My thoughts.

Should any of us be surprised that this particular group has been identifed as targets for Round 2?

If the jathedars continue in this way a schism won't be necessary. It won't even be worth talking about, or thinking about.

Sadh Sangat Jio


Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh


This is what we were afraid of – the Division of the mainstream Panth – just because of ego, be it of one person or a group of persons. If the cream of the Panth, current Jathedars and ex-Jathedar(s) cannot resolve their differences what chance do others – lesser mortals – have.


No doubt there are a lot of individuals on both sides (the tammasha crowd) of the argument giving fire to the issue which can be resolved amicably, but only if there is will and if we have true respect of the Living Light Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which we claim to have!!!
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No one person or a group of persons is above the Panth. Someone has to swallow his ego. May sanity prevail in the end! Let us all pray.


Humbly

Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’

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I think schizm is inevitable, it has happend in all religons, and I'm supprised that it has taken this long for the signs to meterialise.

Quote: I think schizm is inevitable, it has happend in all religons, and I'm supprised that it has taken this long for the signs to meterialise.

Lee Ji

I have been a Sikh for a very long time and cannot be resigned to, with due respect, a fete accompli conclusion as easily as you seem to have accepted. I think the main problem is that of ego and dominance and both sides are locked in this situation because of external forces and people with vested interests spurring both sides to prolong the stalemate and create unrest in the Panth.

I am sure if Professor Ji (whom I respect a lot) was alone in this he would have by now climbed up the stairs to Akal Takht (and climbed down the ego ladder) and the whole matter would have be resolved by now. But there are protagonists who do not want this to happen and are hell bent on dividing the Khalsa Panth. Some breakaways are inevitable, I admit, due to ambitions of Gurudom such as the Nirankaris and Radha Soamis – good riddance I would say. However, when the division of the mainstream Khalsa Panth is concerned we must take matters much more seriously and do everything possible to avoid it. We must not let the interests of one man or a group of men jeopardize the interests of the whole Nation. Humility is the mainstay of the House of Nanak and those who preach it as a means of earning a living must be seen to practice it as well. If I felt I was putting the Unity of the Panth at risk, I would do every thing within my means to redress the situation, even if it meant humiliation and dishonour for me. Real Sikhs have sacrificed their lives for the good and the survival of the Nation, but here we are witnessing individuals doing all they can to keep their egos intact. In my later years of life I find all this extremely distressing to the point of even justified anger at times. All the pride in being a Sikh with which I have grown up with is being eroded way by the current thought process of the modernizers and the wannabe Sikhs. It is so very depressing.

Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’

Arshi ji,

I feel for you my freind, i'm a relativly new Sikh, a white none Punjabi too boot and so my views are bound to be reflective of both this and the culture that I have grown up in, as are we all effeted.

Your words only show me that what I say has more truth to it though I'm afraid. Your words show me that for each Sikh that thinks like you there are bound to be others that think otherwise. Our history shows us what happens when religous aderhents of the same faith start to disagree with accepted dogma, schizim is inevitable.

Sir Please realise that I say all of this not because I am uncareing, but because when we look back on our history this particular story has always ended in the same way. Unless mankind undergoes a rapid paradigim shift then I feel Sikhi will also schizm.

You say:

'In my later years of life I find all this extremely distressing to the point of even justified anger at times.'

It is such words that aid my thoughts in this matter. Imagine, and I do not belive it is hard to do so, that if you feel 'justified anger' then it is not impossible for Sikhs who feel contray to you to feel the same.

What happens when two religous factions of the same faith, who both feel justified in their stance, and also start to feel 'justifabley angry'. This is actualy a dangerous position for a Sikh to be in, as we know Guru ji tells us that when all else has failed then it is rght to pick up the sword. This coupled with 'justified anger' can only lead to Sikh upon Sikh vioence.

Yes sir, I agree, there will be many Sikhs out there who will indeed 'take matters much more seriously and do everything possible to avoid it.' Alas there will also be the same on the other side.

There will be trouble, there may be violence, but Sikhi, like every other 'path' that has schizemed will survive.

I'm so sorry Arshi ji, I am resigned, but I think to deny the possibilty of this is rather like the preverbiable ostrich.

In the present context..Firts it was Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana...his books were "banned" (nothing happeend becasue the Internet is not controlled by the priests/badal/sgpc)..he was then "excommunicated" (to reinforce the SIN aspect of reading his banned books..something which doesnt affect many since SIN in Gurmatt is not accepted this way...so his books continue to be printed..downloaded..read. ..sold widely )
Next was the Media - in the picture..Rozana Spokesman..which initially as a Monthly magazine began to speak of the many ills of derawaad, saadhs, bogus holy men, etc etc in Sikhi...and when its readership increased to allow it to become a DAILY..the Danger Bells tolled for Badal/sgpc/saadh/derawaad nexus...the Priests first called for a BAN (making it a sin for good sikhs to read - over time this has become a bone stuck in their throats becasue the Freedom of the Press and various other Acts are being used by the newspaper management to sue the priests in Indian Courts - this FEAR made them RECANT that they NEVER actually Banned the "NEWSPAPER'..only its EDITOR Joginder Singh !! a turnaround or U-turn in any word ) Next badal moved to deny any Govt adverts to the newspaper...and then the SAADHS under ashitosh broke and damaged its offices all over Punjab trying to force its closure...NOTHING WORKED..due to the Loyal READERS...the Rozana Spokesman has not only BEATEN its RIVAL from jalandhar (pro badal who also had a HUKMNAMAH issued agianst it by Jathedar ranjit Singh..BUT Lo and Behold in THAT CASE..Badal GOT the JATHEDAR REMOVED !!!..and the "excommunication"..never got off the ground !!!) Daily the Jalandhar rival tries to run down the Rozana spokesman...and daily RS publishes pictures of Jathedars READING the RS (when as Good Sikhs they shouldnt even be seen within a mile of it..he he he ??) SO there are "good sikhs..and "Good Sikhs....?? and Bad Sikhs ??
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Then it is the Turn of the KIRTANIYAS...becasue the sgpc/badal/priest NEXUS felt the HEAT of the MESSAGE reaching the MASSES. In this Singh sahib Professor darshan Singh Jis VAST knolwedge of Gurbani, Sikh history and the evil designs of the Panth's Enmeies made him a DANGEROUS ENEMY...had to be removed fast...either by Hook or Crook...and Lamba provided the HOOK Category of a DISTORTED DVD..on which the priests acted in haste. Otherwise Justice demans that ALL the EVIDENCE be considered...The Rochestor Gurdwara Commitee and the SANGAT and the recorder fot eh ORIGINAL DVD pleaded to be called..BUT were IGNORED..becasue "evidence adn TRUTH' were Not important..what was important was to NEUTRALISE Drashan Singh as fast as possible..

Next is the DELHI Gurdwara managemnt Committee sarna Tarsem Singh and others who are behind Darshan Singh....simnply becasue due to them..the Voice of darshan Singh is still active...

Thanks Gyani ji

I guess we are looking at slow learners. Let us not forget that former Jathedar Ranjir Singh went to prison for homicide.