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Old 21-Sep-2009, 19:08 PM
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Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Please somebody explain to me what is meaning of this? I was told by my cousin that at Hazoor Sahib, at the end of Akhand Path, they sacrifice a lamb and use the blood for Tilak. I recently had a chance to check this out myself on the Youtube. I did not believe my cousin at first, but when I saw it with own eyes, I could not believe. This is Barbaric. Sikhs, especially Amritdhari, performing this act, and at Hazoor Sahib Gurdwara. We are suppose to be .... I am sorry I can't understand this. I feel very saddened.
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Old 21-Sep-2009, 19:43 PM
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Ok let me explain something about Hazoor Sahib:
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  1. These Sikhs are descended from the original Sikhs that accompanied Guru Gobind Singh. Fought Battles with him and were his personal body guard. They also carry on traditions from 300 years ago, that were around at Guru Gobinds Singh ji time, include Shastar Tilak.
  2. Shastar Tilak is a Kshatriya tradition. The Guru's were Kshatriya and therefore, it is likely they did this too.
  3. The goat is NOT sacrificed, it is Jhatkad and eaten. It is not wasted.
  4. What do you find Barbaric? The fact that Sikhs Jhatka, or weapons are anointed with blood? Either way, if you shirk from the site of blood, how do expect to be a warrior? If the Guru's did this too (which is likely), would you consider them barbaric?
  5. Lastly read this, http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-news/24666-sacrifice-at-hazur-sahib-myth-truth.html before you comment further.
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What i feel is, a man offers to GOd what he eats and slaughtering a goat with a swift is belived to inculcate a martial spirit in the minds of the people, this in fact was for testing the weapons before war. Trust me its not easy, there are one thousand thoughts coming before you try to give 'stroke' when it is the first time . The decapitating at one go gives a kind of excitement and it is testing the blade and also the accuracy of the person who perfoms the act.
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I want the recipe.
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of what ??
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Of goat curry... Dah!!
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are chatkaing one now ?
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What i feel is, a man offers to GOd what he eats and slaughtering a goat with a swift is belived to inculcate a martial spirit in the minds of the people, this in fact was for testing the weapons before war. Trust me its not easy, there are one thousand thoughts coming before you try to give 'stroke' when it is the first time . The decapitating at one go gives a kind of excitement and it is testing the blade and also the accuracy of the person who perfoms the act.
The Samurai's of Japan, used to do the same with animals.

They were crueller from what I read, they would kill captured prisoners as practice (from what I have read).

At least the Singh's get two things out of this:

  1. A taste of what it is actually like to cut through flesh
  2. Food
Talking to a Martial artist, he tells me that when you actually kill something live there is no substitute. The Guru's also used hunting to train their soldiers, but no parts of the animals were wasted.
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Thank you to all for your explanation, but I disagree with you all, and some the comments made, they take it as Joke. This is not joking matter. Randip Singh Ji's you asked me how I am to warrior, if I can see the sight of blood. First of all, correct if I am wrong. Did Guru Ji's not say, never raise your sword on the unarmed, it is to used to protect your Dharm, innocent, etc. To me being a warrior means, fighting battles against "Zulms", etc. You take sword and you...., where is the daya in that? From the samaagams, that I have attended, doesn't mention any of this, and that where I have growned into becoming a full Amritdhari Guru's Sikh. When Amrit sanchaars are done, the "Panj Piares", who initiate the ceremony, tells you specifically, ANDA, MEAT, SHRAB, NASHA KARNA, etc. is against Sikhism, Khalsa. Yhey even states that if you married, and only one takes Amrit, that there will be no husband/wife relationship, etc. Speaking for myself, only time will tell if I am loyal to my Guru and my dharam. I am just learning to become a Guru's Sikh.
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