05-Jan-2007, 22:18 PM
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10-Jan-2007, 10:37 AM
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I do not believe Guru Nanak Dev ji was a prophet.
Guru Nanak Dev ji was the manifest form of God. Guru and God are one and the same, Guru Nanak Dev ji, God form, came to give the truth to all.
Guru is formless in shabad word form (Guru Granth Sahib ji), so is God. Guru is that shabad which when absorbed in our consciousness, (the disciple of the Guru), becomes one with it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819
Muslims themselves have said that Prophet Mohammed was the last prophet of all. |
23-Jan-2007, 07:57 AM
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naam jap ji, MKAUR1981 ji and Kaur-1 ji,
Meet Prophet Muhammed on the following Link: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819 Who was Mansoor Hallaj and What is his role in Islamic History? Discover the True Religion of Muslim - MANIFEST AND HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, SAINT WORSHIP, Akhyaar (chosen), Abdaal (substitutes), Abraar (pious), Awtaad (pegs), Nuqabaa (watchmen), Qutb (poleReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819
He was eventually stoned to death by his own people. If any spirituality exists in Islam then it is Sufi Islam. Sufi Islam is a sect of group of people who did not believe in the teachings of Muhammed and went forth to find the truth for themselves. The were assisted in their path by Indian Seers who taught them that they need not change their religion to reach god, all they need to do is to change their thinking, the attitude towards God. Mansoor is Muhammed as he claims.
So you see, Muhammed himself did not get anywhere with his own theory, What chance do these Muslims have. They are messed up by Mohammed.
Another similar case is "Gita" the Holy book of the Hindus. "Gita" contains a private conversation between Sri Krishan ji and Arjun before the Mother of all Battles- "Mahabarat" Arjun and his pandav brothers after winning the battle eventually committed suicide in the mountains. Did he really understand the "Updesh" the conversation, the message Sri Krishan was trying to deliver. If he did then he would not have committed suicide in the mountains. Do these Hindus believe in it ? No, because they are still lost in the vedas. They have not digested the information.
Sikhs again are lost. Some sikhs are now promoting The Dasam Granth to be equivalent to Sri Guru Granth Sahib. They have started doing Akhand Paths. Dassam granth contains the writings of Guru Gobind Singh ji as well as his 52 beloved poets. Since the writings of the poets are rythmically similar to Guru Gobind Singh ji, Out of respect and due to their inability of being able to differentiate poetry, they are keeping it together. It Guru ji wanted to give presidence to The Dasam Granth then Why was Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji given the final Gur Gaddhi. If they now put Dassam Granth in parallel to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji then is that any different to having a Sant Baba claiming his right there.
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23-Jan-2007, 10:23 AM
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all I know is I dont want to be parted from bani of Guru Gobind Singh ji, it gives me that which all the pleasures in this world cannot give.
It is filled with naam just naam, the rhyming lines words , in Jaap Sahib and akaal ustat are like rising scales of bliss, and so much bir raas. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819
although i have realized this bliss can come through the grace of guru ji alone. one may read it but not get any bless, but once you taste the bliss in the bani, you will be in awe at the majestic beautiful composition.
I also read one book on tapoban.org.. in it Bhai randhir ji was also saying to a person who was reading sukhmani sahib.. your reading good.. but you are not having the bliss... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14819
it is very true indeed this whole bani is amrit roop. |
23-Jan-2007, 17:53 PM
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What I have read in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is also that , it is praising SATNAM but SATNAM is not there
it is saying for SATNAM we need a living GURU Quote:
Originally Posted by naam_jap  all I know is I dont want to be parted from bani of Guru Gobind Singh ji, it gives me that which all the pleasures in this world cannot give.
It is filled with naam just naam, the rhyming lines words , in Jaap Sahib and akaal ustat are like rising scales of bliss, and so much bir raas.
although i have realized this bliss can come through the grace of guru ji alone. one may read it but not get any bless, but once you taste the bliss in the bani, you will be in awe at the majestic beautiful composition.
I also read one book on tapoban.org.. in it Bhai randhir ji was also saying to a person who was reading sukhmani sahib.. your reading good.. but you are not having the bliss...
it is very true indeed this whole bani is amrit roop. | |
24-Jan-2007, 14:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983 SATNAM is not there | Satnaam is there in bani, it becomes nectar form and you taste it in your mind, this can happen through grace of Guru ji. Love, Selfless service, do,act,think every moment that is aimed at pleasing the True Guru. Quote: |
it is saying for SATNAM we need a living GURU
| The instructions are all there in gurbani, there is no need to look outside for any physical Guru.
physical living Guru will leave this earth, who will be with you then? who is the eternal who is both beyond death and life ?
Who is the one who is eternally God?
God is formless, so is gurbani, Guru Nanak Ji has said, Guru is the Shabad, Guru Gobind Singh ji has said, our Guru is the shabad in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Aadi Anti Aykai Avtara Soei Guru Samjhiayo Hamara
From the beginning to the end of the Time, there is only one being, who I recognise as my Guru. - Chaupai Sahib. |
24-Jan-2007, 15:35 PM
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Ya true
This thing is not written in Gurubani that we dont need a living master
there are so many reference in Gurubani
i will put it for u
its telling WHAT IS CAPABILITY OF TRUE MASTER
WHAT IS MASTER
and WHY WE NEED IT
first tell me, What is SATNAM
Bani says ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ॥
किरतम नाम कथे तेरे जिहबा ॥
kirtam naam kathay tayray jihbaa.
With my tongue I chant the Names given to You.
ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ॥
सति नामु तेरा परा पूरबला ॥
sat naam tayraa paraa poorbalaa.
'Sat Naam' is Your perfect, primal Name, can't be spoken
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This means that Name cant be chanted with Toungue, BUT WE CHANT SATNAM with TOUNGUE
SATNAM IS UNSPOKEN WORD
If this is case then tell me why dont we consider only GURU NANAK dev ji as our GURU, whenever Guru came, 10 gurus , Sikhs bowed there head.....
They give the NAAM to Sikhs(Not give but , just make them realised, Name is always with in us, and because of that NAME our breath is working, that Power is definately name)
The unspoken word
Guru always come on the earth, because without Guru on earth, earth cant survive...
Wating for ur reply
I will put other things after ur reply Quote:
Originally Posted by naam_jap Satnaam is there in bani, it becomes nectar form and you taste it in your mind, this can happen through grace of Guru ji. Love, Selfless service, do,act,think every moment that is aimed at pleasing the True Guru.
The instructions are all there in gurbani, there is no need to look outside for any physical Guru.
physical living Guru will leave this earth, who will be with you then? who is the eternal who is both beyond death and life ?
Who is the one who is eternally God?
God is formless, so is gurbani, Guru Nanak Ji has said, Guru is the Shabad, Guru Gobind Singh ji has said, our Guru is the shabad in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Aadi Anti Aykai Avtara Soei Guru Samjhiayo Hamara
From the beginning to the end of the Time, there is only one being, who I recognise as my Guru. - Chaupai Sahib. | | 
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