Answering the wrong doubts about Bani onto Tenth Master

Gurfateh Gurfateh

You say Tatta for Tainka and then you say you say huge slut for appeling women. You said huge (due to lots of intercrouses and) Slut (Slang of punks from where We are all born).
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Anyway is this term not menitoned in Guru Granth Sahib ie place from where we come. Will some someone wrtie it over there?
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So das does the work by mercy of Bhagaouti.,who is Mahakal and who is Kalaka and who is Akal.
Chariter 20 78

You have drugged your self rather in ego and fear of Hindus.

It is from 21st,22nd and 23rd Chaectors.

 
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• Anandpur had been just settles so how could so many prostitutes come there?

If Gangu can come there inpersonatiin as good cook then why canot otheer people come.But where is term Prostitute been writtan even once?

Say if some lady tires to indulge in adulatry due to Pagan influence while entering as decent lady how can pure minded Sikhs imagine such thing.Just as they are not ******* like you.

At start of 21 Charitar lady is termed as wife of wealthy.So as per your logic all wives of wealth are protiture including mother of das.Well are your father also wealthy?

• Anandpur was a place of worship and the character of Sikhs was well known to everyone, then how did the prostitute think of finding work in a place like that?

There is no prositure but wife of rich who after entering Anandpur sahib wants to comit dualtray with Guru.If Pama or Parmanada can come in and think of wrong about Langer(as he finds its anti caste)and incite Hindu kings, so is not he more then lady trying to comit adultery.

• According to the chariters Guru Ji is a worshipper of Bhagauti. Is this not vipran kee reet? Even if Bhagauti is translated as God, why did Guru Ji went to learn Bhagauti mantar? Wasn’t Guru Ji a complete Guru?

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If Wahiguru is God and Bhauti is God then what why should not there be Manter in Gurmat.

Wahiguru is Gurmanter,Then we have Mool Mantra and as per Bhai Daya Sngh JI Beej Mantra is Sat Sri Akal.

In fact to utter disgusting false propogand by you.In 21st Character,Guru in order to get Mantra did Bhaguti Manana and not Mantra.That is a sort of request to Bhaguti.What is our Ardas?Prtham Bhagouti Simar Kai..

• Why go to learn mantras if Guru Ji had straight communication with God?

This shows you lack in vocabulary,Mantra also means plan.Mantrana means consultation.Mantiri is a consular and final draft is Matta.Have you not heard of Gurmata..
ਪੰਨਾ 1165, ਸਤਰ 9
ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਮੰਤਰ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਕਰਸਹ ਅਉਧ ਘਨੇਰੀ ॥
दुसट सभा मिलि मंतर उपाइआ करसह अउध घनेरी ॥
dusat sabhaa mil mantar upaa-i-aa karsah a-oDh ghanayree.
The council of villains met and resolved to send Prahlaad into the life hereafter.
ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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Man in Guru Granth Sahib there are 74 times term Mantra comes.

Das brings in here only 30.

• With Guru Ji being Mard Agambra, Saint-soldier, with Taij partaap, didn’t the prostitute have fear of Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

When King Shiv Nabh send Harlots to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and he reformed them.Did not those Sri Lankend daughters of Guru had fearlessness beore meeting the Guru?

What about 400 Hundred Pathans who diteched Guru after staying with him.did they not have fear?When Akal wants bad time for sometime or wants to teach that person a lesson.All fear of good is lost in that.Same is happening to you.

• How did a prostitute have the guts to ask Guru Ji for fulfillment of Kaam?

Did not Aurangzeb Had guts to ask Guru to convert to Islam.Sinner is also powerfull and viturus is power full when he defeats sinner.And you know that she was not successsfull.

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  Guru Ji knows everything, then why didn’t Guru Ji know what type of woman anoop kaur was?

Why did not Guru knew Gangu Pandit?Guru here also knew about her but whated to make a lesson for us.

Guru knew everything then why did he had faithn in false outght of cow and Kuran by Hindus and Muslimm indavders respectively?

He knew but he had to work Kautak.(acts to teach Sikhs lesson on world).

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  also, where did a prostitute get the name Kaur? Was she Amritdhari?

There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.

Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.

No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.

But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem.

Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib?

Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.

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ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਵਦੇ ਜਿਉ ਵੇਸੁਆ ਪੁਤੁ ਨਿਨਾਉ ॥
विचि हउमै करम कमावदे जिउ वेसुआ पुतु निनाउ ॥
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vich ha-umai karam kamaavday ji-o vaysu-aa put ninaa-o.
Those who do their deeds in ego are like the prostitute's son, who has no name.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਸਾਕਤ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਪੂਤ ਨਿਨਾਮ ॥੩॥
साकत बेसुआ पूत निनाम ॥३॥
saakat baysu-aa poot ninaam. ||3||
The faithless cynic is nameless, like the prostitute's son. ||3||
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਤਾਰੀਲੇ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਰੂਪ ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
तारीले गनिका बिनु रूप कुबिजा बिआधि अजामलु तारीअले ॥
taareelay ganikaa bin roop kubijaa bi-aaDh ajaamal taaree-alay.
You saved the prostitute, and the ugly hunch-back; You helped the hunter and Ajaamal swim across as well.
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਦੁ ਜੋ ਪੀਵਤੇ ਬਿਖਲੀ ਪਤਿ ਕਮਲੀ ॥
दुरमति मदु जो पीवते बिखली पति कमली ॥
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durmat mad jo peevtay bikhlee pat kamlee.
Those fools, who drink in the wine of evil-mindedness, become the husbands of prostitutes.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੨॥
बेसवा जोनि वलि वलि अउतरै ॥२॥
baysvaa jon val val a-utarai. ||2||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||
Devotee Trilochan - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੇ ਘਰਿ ਪੂਤੁ ਜਮਤੁ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਿਓ ਹੈ ਧ੍ਰਕਟੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जिउ बेसुआ के घरि पूतु जमतु है तिसु नामु परिओ है ध्रकटी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ji-o baysu-aa kay ghar poot jamat hai tis naam pari-o hai Dharkatee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Like the son, born into the house of a prostitute, his name is cursed. ||1||Pause||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਨਕਾ ਸੀ ਉਧਰੀ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਜਸੁ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जिह सिमरत गनका सी उधरी ता को जसु उर धारो ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
jih simrat gankaa see uDhree taa ko jas ur Dhaaro. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Meditating on Him in remembrance, Ganika the prostitute was saved; enshrine His Praises within your heart. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਅਜਾਮਲ ਗਜ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਪਤਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਕੀਨੇ ॥
अजामल गज गनिका पतित करम कीने ॥
ajaamal gaj ganikaa patit karam keenay.
Ajaamal, the elephant, and the prostitute committed many sins,
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਚੋਰਾ ਜਾਰਾ ਰੰਡੀਆ ਕੁਟਣੀਆ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
चोरा जारा रंडीआ कुटणीआ दीबाणु ॥
choraa jaaraa randee-aa kutnee-aa deebaan.
Thieves, adulterers, prostitutes and pimps,
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੁਕਤ ਭਏ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अजामलु गनिका जिह सिमरत मुकत भए जीअ जानो ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ajaamal ganikaa jih simrat mukat bha-ay jee-a jaano. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Remembering Him in meditation, even Ajaamal the robber and Ganikaa the prostitute were liberated; let your soul know this. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਬੇਟਾ ਜਨਮਿਆ ਪਿਤਾ ਤਾਹਿ ਕਿਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਦਈਆ ॥੬॥
बेसुआ कै घरि बेटा जनमिआ पिता ताहि किआ नामु सदईआ ॥६॥
baysu-aa kai ghar baytaa janmi-aa pitaa taahi ki-aa naam sada-ee-aa. ||6||
When a son is born in the house of a prostitute, who can tell the name of his father? ||6||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਕਰਿ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਬਹੈ ਪਖਿਆਰੀ ॥
करि सीगारु बहै पखिआरी ॥
kar seegaar bahai pakhi-aaree.
Adorning herself, she sits like a prostitute.
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਸੂਆ ਪੜਾਵਤ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਤਰੀ ॥
सूआ पड़ावत गनिका तरी ॥
soo-aa parhaavat ganikaa taree.
Teaching a parrot to speak the Lord's Name, Ganika the prostitute was saved.
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕਾ ਗੁਨੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ਪੜਿ ਸੂਆ ਗਨਕ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥
संगति का गुनु बहुतु अधिकाई पड़ि सूआ गनक उधारे ॥
sangat kaa gun bahut aDhikaa-ee parh soo-aa ganak uDhaaray.
The virtues of the Sangat, the Holy Congregation, are so very great. Even the prostitute was saved, by teaching the parrot to speak the Lord's Name.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਾ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਹੂ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जा कउ सिमरि अजामलु उधरिओ गनिका हू गति पाई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
jaa ka-o simar ajaamal uDhaari-o ganikaa hoo gat paa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Meditating in remembrance on it, Ajaamal was saved, and Ganika the prostitute was emancipated. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਪੂਤ ਬਾਪੁ ਕੋ ਕਹੀਐ ਤਿਉ ਫੋਕਟ ਕਾਰ ਵਿਕਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੫॥
जिउ बेसुआ पूत बापु को कहीऐ तिउ फोकट कार विकारा हे ॥५॥
ji-o baysu-aa poot baap ko kahee-ai ti-o fokat kaar vikaaraa hay. ||5||
Just as no one knows who is the father of the prostitute's son, such are the worthless, useless deeds that are done. ||5||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸੁਆ ਭਜਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਹ ਸਰਮਾਵੈ ॥
बेसुआ भजत किछु नह सरमावै ॥
baysu-aa bhajat kichh nah sarmaavai.
He is not ashamed to spend time with prostitutes.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸ੍ਵਾ ਕੇ ਪਰੈ ਅਖਾਰਾ ॥
जिउ बेस्वा के परै अखारा ॥
ji-o baisvaa kay parai akhaaraa.
He is like the prostitute, who comes to dance,
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ ॥
गनिका उधरी हरि कहै तोत ॥
ganikaa uDhree har kahai tot.
Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਸੋਦਾਮਾ ਅਪਦਾ ਤੇ ਰਾਖਿਆ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਪੜ੍ਹਤ ਪੂਰੇ ਤਿਹ ਕਾਜ ॥
सोदामा अपदा ते राखिआ गनिका पड़्हत पूरे तिह काज ॥
sodaamaa apdaa tay raakhi-aa ganikaa parhHat pooray tih kaaj.
Sudaamaa was saved from misfortune; and Ganikaa the prostitute - when she chanted Your Name, her affairs were perfectly resolved.
Bard Nala-y - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੇਰੇ ਪੂਤ ਜਿਉ ਪਿਤਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
बेसुआ केरे पूत जिउ पिता नामु तिसु जाइ ॥
baysu-aa kayray poot ji-o pitaa naam tis jaa-ay.
They are like the son of a prostitute, who does not know the name of his father.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

• It is said that most prostitutes were Muslim? Then hwy the last name kaur and first name anoop?

Who told you that?And how did that person knew about that?Did he went to them?

Another non snese thing.

Listen son
You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar).

Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called ***** also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow.

Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?

And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?

• [/QUOTE]Yes there is mention of Ganika in Guru Granth Sahib.she was there before Rasol(SWAS) came to world.Ganika and Vaishyas are Sankrit Terms.In Muslims terms are Tavaif and *****.So Guru Granth Sahib has both terms Ganika and Vaishya but ***** is used for widow.

so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.

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  Also, Gurbani says that if you see the Guru once, you will losse kaam kroadh loab moh annhankar, etc? then why didn’t the prostitute loose it?

Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.?
Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that.

But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.
1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him).
2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru.
3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru.
4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him?
5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru?
6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.

It is not Jesus like thing where body is worshipped.The Guru when is seen is seen in all and is not in one body but in all bodies.

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  It says that when Guru Ji saw some people surrounding him, He thought his life was in danger and was helpless as there was no Sikh protecting him. Guru Ji, who says I will make 1 fight 1,000,000 was scared of 4-5 people?

First rectify the figure.It is one by 125000 and you talk of 100000 so you are 25000 less.
so yuo wanted Guru to show miracle.Had he jhas to show,he would have done it in while staying at Chamkaur Garhi.

Once Gurus camp was looted,And Sikhs asked him why this Bhana Happned?

Guru said 'that there is a power bigger then him and that controls all'.That defeat was way to let people know that not to worship Guru but Akal.

But you may make an idol of Guru or treat Guru Granth Sahib Ji as idol whithout knowing Akal.Guru did say in Vachitar Natak that people trying to call him Primal god will go to hell.

But in story it is written that there in that place Lord was alone(he went there to meet Magan but a lady was there,Who said that if Lord does not commit Adultary,she will kill him or will shout.In both case there was to be charctor assination.In former case Lord
did not want to kill a lonely lady,In second case ,it happened that she shouted and lord grabed her brother and befooled her followers who thought him to be a Thief.And her brother went to jail and Lord reached back safe and sound

• It says Guru Ji for his shoes and a shawl at anoop kaur’s house. Why did Guru Ji take off his shoes?
• Why did Guru Ji take off his shawl?
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Wait there man it seems that you are paranoid and *******ed.Term Pani Pamri is written that means rich footwear.Term Panhi comes only when that lady is summoned in the court.And Panhi means blanket.As we have to fight and run both footwears like Chappel and blanket are not handy.As you may never have fought and if you want you can wear them and see how good could you fight ,Lord,when lady shouted, leaft shoe and blanket and them made her brother get cought by her own men.It was only after when Lord refuse to commit Adultary then she wanted to trap lord,then in order to face dangers handly did lord removed hindrances.
did not Guru use to put gold in arrow to kill enemy so that with mony of that arrow enmy fmaily can get funaral done?

Guru donates something and

• GuruBani says jY fITY mnu DIrIAY iklivK vM\in@ dUry] sUhI mhlw 5, 761. Jai Deethay Mnu Dheereeae Vanjyhan Dooray] Soohee Mehala 5, 761. Then how did a woman get inflicted by kaam?

It is state of seeing Akal in all and not the seeig of Phyiscal body.Do not you think that Baba Maan Singh Of Pehva saw and read Guru Granth Sahib?

Ang 761.
ਜੈ ਡਿਠੇ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰੀਐ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਵੰਞਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਦੂਰੇ ॥
जै डिठे मनु धीरीऐ किलविख वंञन्हि दूरे ॥
jai dithay man Dheeree-ai kilvikh vaNnjniH dooray.
Seeing Him, my mind is comforted and consoled, and my sins and mistakes are far removed.
ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਾਉ ਮੈ ਜੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰੇ ॥੭॥
सो किउ विसरै माउ मै जो रहिआ भरपूरे ॥७॥
so ki-o visrai maa-o mai jo rahi-aa bharpooray. ||7||
How could I ever forget Him, O my mother? He is permeating and pervading everywhere. ||7||

She saw body of lord and Not the Guru who is in all.

• How dare did a prostitute threaten Guru Ji?

Did not Hindu Kings and Moghuls also threatened Guru and they were worse then prostitues.

Did not Sodi of Kartarpur said bad words for Guru.What about Brahmins of Kurukshetras?They also said wrong things to Guru?

Anyone who is to go for wrong time gets non sense mind and say wrong things to Guru like you are doing.

Is not this written in Gurubani that people called Guru Ghost and spirit in dead body.
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
मारू महला १ ॥
maaroo mehlaa 1.
Maaroo, First Mehl:
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਬੇਤਾਲਾ ॥
कोई आखै भूतना को कहै बेताला ॥
ko-ee aakhai bhootnaa ko kahai baytaalaa.
Some call him a ghost; some say that he is a demon.
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਆਦਮੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੇਚਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
कोई आखै आदमी नानकु वेचारा ॥१॥
ko-ee aakhai aadmee naanak vaychaaraa. ||1||
Some call him a mere mortal; O, poor Nanak! ||1||
ਭਇਆ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ਸਾਹ ਕਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥
भइआ दिवाना साह का नानकु बउराना ॥
bha-i-aa divaanaa saah kaa naanak ba-uraanaa.
Crazy Nanak has gone insane, after his Lord, the King.
ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हउ हरि बिनु अवरु न जाना ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ha-o har bin avar na jaanaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
I know of none other than the Lord. ||1||Pause||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਭੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा भै देवाना होइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa bhai dayvaanaa ho-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, when he goes insane with the Fear of God.
ਏਕੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥
एकी साहिब बाहरा दूजा अवरु न जाणै कोइ ॥२॥
aykee saahib baahraa doojaa avar na jaanai ko-ay. ||2||
He recognizes none other than the One Lord and Master. ||2||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਏਕਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा एका कार कमाइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa aykaa kaar kamaa-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, if he works for the One Lord.
ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਖਸਮ ਕਾ ਦੂਜੀ ਅਵਰ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਕਾਇ ॥੩॥
हुकमु पछाणै खसम का दूजी अवर सिआणप काइ ॥३॥
hukam pachhaanai khasam kaa doojee avar si-aanap kaa-ay. ||3||
Recognizing the Hukam, the Command of his Lord and Master, what other cleverness is there? ||3||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा साहिब धरे पिआरु ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa saahib Dharay pi-aar.
He alone is known to be insane, when he falls in love with his Lord and Master.
ਮੰਦਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਅਵਰੁ ਭਲਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੭॥
मंदा जाणै आप कउ अवरु भला संसारु ॥४॥७॥
mandaa jaanai aap ka-o avar bhalaa sansaar. ||4||7||
He sees himself as bad, and all the rest of the world as good. ||4||7||

Ang 991

• Guru Ji condemns jantras and mantras, then why did Guru Ji go and learn mantras from a woman, especially at night?

Lord went to know about Plan and he knew that Magan a man will be there,who came on behest of lady.
Even if we deem it spell,Going of lord was more in line of First Maste goig to
1.Haridwar to expose superstition
2.To Kalijug Panda to remove myth about miracle he was showing.
3.To Jaggananth to expose myth about Arti.
4.to Mecca,to expose that God is not restricted to any direction.

He did not go there to worship.Anyway after reading this text of Charitrano one will belive in going to learn Mantra from anybody.So purpose of Charitar is done.

• While the prostitute was drugged up and unconscious, for what good deed did Guru Ji place 60 coins beside her?

Akal ill reborn you as a Hindu and then you will speak lies as per your faith.In Charitars 21 to 23rd it is not at all written.And do tell otherwise where it is written?

• Then Guru Ji announced that whoever finds my shoes and shawl and brings it to me will get rid of the cycle of life and death. What was so special about those shoes and shawl that Guru Ji wanted to end someone’s cycle of birth and death for that shawl and that pair of shoes?

That lady tried to spread disinfo about lord.Lord preempted this by saying that his stuff is lost and any Sikh who retrive it will get no death coming near to him.That may mean teqaching of Weapoanry or Gurmat teaching.It may not mean salvation as you write.

• The prostitute brought the items herself, then was her cycle of birth and death ended?

No Sikhs,who got hold of Lady had along side bought the items as proof of her stealing from Lord.Do not tell lies.Lord ordered them to do so.That happened when lord came to know from Sikhs about her having a defomation campaign.

• Quote:

  Chariter also says that Guru Ji gave the prostitute 20,000 coins when she came to Guru Darbar with the items. Was it suitable to give hard earned money of Sikhs to a prostitute?

do yuo know that Guru used to give medicine via Bhai Ghannaya to people who were injuiered even from opponent side.So you can ask how and why for that also?Hard eaerned mony of Sikhs been givne to those who came to kill Sikhs?

What about Gurus putting gold in arrow so that kins to victum of that arrow get his funral done by that Gold.

When she was indoctrionated( into good faith),as in inscentive,for doing good even to bad, Lord gave him expenditure of six month packed.

• These chariters in past tense. Then how could they be written by Gu Ji?

Is there no verse in Guru Granth Sahib,which is in past tense?And should same logic of your be applied over there?

Whichy tense is this?

If I and me work here then why are they not working in 71st Charitar or say discourse over as in 21st one?

Have you got something or not?

All bani is work of Akal and there is no pattern of first,secod or third being fixed.

• They are also second or even third person. Then how are they written by Guru Ji?

Why there is third person over here?
Ang 1165 and 1166
ਸੁਲਤਾਨੁ ਪੂਛੈ ਸੁਨੁ ਬੇ ਨਾਮਾ ॥
सुलतानु पूछै सुनु बे नामा ॥
sultaan poochhai sun bay naamaa.
The Sultan said, "Listen, Naam Dayv:
ਦੇਖਉ ਰਾਮ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਰੇ ਕਾਮਾ ॥੧॥
देखउ राम तुम्हारे कामा ॥१॥
daykh-a-u raam tumHaaray kaamaa. ||1||
let me see the actions of your Lord."||1||
ਨਾਮਾ ਸੁਲਤਾਨੇ ਬਾਧਿਲਾ ॥
नामा सुलताने बाधिला ॥
naamaa sultaanay baaDhilaa.
The Sultan arrested Naam Dayv,
ਦੇਖਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
देखउ तेरा हरि बीठुला ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
daykh-a-u tayraa har beethulaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
and said, "Let me see your Beloved Lord."||1||Pause||
ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਗਊ ਦੇਹੁ ਜੀਵਾਇ ॥
बिसमिलि गऊ देहु जीवाइ ॥
bismil ga-oo dayh jeevaa-ay.
Bring this dead cow back to life.
ਨਾਤਰੁ ਗਰਦਨਿ ਮਾਰਉ ਠਾਂਇ ॥੨॥
नातरु गरदनि मारउ ठांइ ॥२॥
naatar gardan maara-o thaaN-ay. ||2||
Otherwise, I shall cut off your head here and now."||2||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ਐਸੀ ਕਿਉ ਹੋਇ ॥
बादिसाह ऐसी किउ होइ ॥
baadisaah aisee ki-o ho-ay.
Naam Dayv answered, "O king, how can this happen?
ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੩॥
बिसमिलि कीआ न जीवै कोइ ॥३॥
bismil kee-aa na jeevai ko-ay. ||3||
No one can bring the dead back to life. ||3||
ਮੇਰਾ ਕੀਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
मेरा कीआ कछू न होइ ॥
mayraa kee-aa kachhoo na ho-ay.
I cannot do anything by my own actions.
ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਹੋਇ ਹੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥
करि है रामु होइ है सोइ ॥४॥
kar hai raam ho-ay hai so-ay. ||4||
Whatever the Lord does, that alone happens."||4||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹੁ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ ॥
बादिसाहु चड़्हिओ अहंकारि ॥
baadisaahu charhHi-o ahaNkaar.
The arrogant king was enraged at this reply.
ਗਜ ਹਸਤੀ ਦੀਨੋ ਚਮਕਾਰਿ ॥੫॥
गज हसती दीनो चमकारि ॥५॥
gaj hastee deeno chamkaar. ||5||
He incited an elephant to attack. ||5||
ਰੁਦਨੁ ਕਰੈ ਨਾਮੇ ਕੀ ਮਾਇ ॥
रुदनु करै नामे की माइ ॥
rudan karai naamay kee maa-ay.
Naam Dayv's mother began to cry,
ਛੋਡਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਕੀ ਨ ਭਜਹਿ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥੬॥
छोडि रामु की न भजहि खुदाइ ॥६॥
chhod raam kee na bhajeh khudaa-ay. ||6||
and she said, "Why don't you abandon your Lord Raam, and worship his Lord Allah?"||6||
ਨ ਹਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਪੂੰਗੜਾ ਨ ਤੂ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਇ ॥
न हउ तेरा पूंगड़ा न तू मेरी माइ ॥
na ha-o tayraa pooNgarhaa na too mayree maa-ay.
Naam Dayv answered, "I am not your son, and you are not my mother.
ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪੜੈ ਤਉ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਇ ॥੭॥
पिंडु पड़ै तउ हरि गुन गाइ ॥७॥
pind parhai ta-o har gun gaa-ay. ||7||
Even if my body dies, I will still sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord."||7||
ਕਰੈ ਗਜਿੰਦੁ ਸੁੰਡ ਕੀ ਚੋਟ ॥
करै गजिंदु सुंड की चोट ॥
karai gajind sund kee chot.
The elephant attacked him with his trunk,
ਨਾਮਾ ਉਬਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਓਟ ॥੮॥
नामा उबरै हरि की ओट ॥८॥
naamaa ubrai har kee ot. ||8||
but Naam Dayv was saved, protected by the Lord. ||8||
ਕਾਜੀ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਲਾਮੁ ॥
काजी मुलां करहि सलामु ॥
kaajee mulaaN karahi salaam.
The king said, "The Qazis and the Mullahs bow down to me,
ਇਨਿ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਲਿਆ ਮਾਨੁ ॥੯॥
इनि हिंदू मेरा मलिआ मानु ॥९॥
in hindoo mayraa mali-aa maan. ||9||
but this Hindu has trampled my honor."||9||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸੁਨੇਹੁ ॥
बादिसाह बेनती सुनेहु ॥
baadisaah bayntee sunayhu.
The people pleaded with the king, "Hear our prayer, O king.

• chariters refer to Guru Ji as raja. Was Guru Ji only a raja? Bhai Nand Lal says Guru Ji is Emperor of emperors. Isn’t this downgrading to what Nand Lal said?

Are you made or fool or too much clever who tells so much of lies?

Das gives word to word tranalation of Charectors 21,22,23 and 71 and there term Rai is used and not Raja,where is term Raj used other that and that also for Guru?Tell it?

And Rai means Lord and not the King.So term Rai is used for Akal.Ham Ghar Ram Rai..
Mere Ram Rai..

So Akal can not be termed as Rai.Wait.

You want to question that Sixth Master gave Guruship to his grand son with namr Har Rai.Was not name of Tenth Master also Gobind Rai, Before he became Singh?
So who so ever gave surname Rai,to Gurus,were not OK as per you

ਪੰਨਾ 449, ਸਤਰ 5
ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਸੁਣਿ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥
दीन दइआल सुणि बेनती हरि प्रभ हरि राइआ राम राजे ॥
deen da-i-aal sun bayntee har parabh har raa-i-aa raam raajay.
O Merciful to the meek, hear my prayer, O Lord God; You are my Master, O Lord King.
ਮਃ 4 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
ਪੰਨਾ 479, ਸਤਰ 9
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਮ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਖੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥੧॥੧੪॥
कहु कबीर हम राम राखे क्रिपा करि हरि राइ ॥५॥१॥१४॥
kaho kabeer ham raam raakhay kirpaa kar har raa-ay. ||5||1||14||
Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||
ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

• Didn’t the Sikhs know that it is a prostitute who has brought Guru Ji’s shoes? What effect did that have on Sikhs?

You are lier.Sikhs on order of Lord borugght the thief lady with items which were as per lord were stolen.
Sikhs got hold of a lady,who was wofe of wealthy and who was accused of stealing the stuff of the lord.

• Tankahnaama Bhai Nanad Lal says Kwlsw soie jo pridRst iqAwgY] Kwlsw soie jo prnwrI qy BwgY] Then why did Guru Ji go to a woman at night? Guru Ji performed different from what Guru Ji taught?

Lord in the story did not Go to women,But was cold by man called Magan(agent of Lady).Had Lord was easy to go to Lady she should have come her self calling him in night.Lord Saw lady only after he entered the camp.and became thoughtfull.

• Chariter says that when prostitute says “thief, thief, thief!” People come and surround Guru Ji. People who lived in Anandpur were mostly Sikhs and who had faith in Guru Ji. So Guru Ji’s own followers thought of Guru Ji as a thief?

No it is written that people came,who were followers of lady.Lord held her brother,made him uncontious with muthahiri,If you want to have taste of it,Das can help you.And then by that time Lord’s Sikh took her borther to jail or Lord.Lord reached back to his home safely.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14772

• Prostitutes must have come to Anandpur only if they had customers? Who were the customers when the city was controlled and run by Guru Ji himself? Sikhs were the customers? Do you guys go to places like that too? I guess you guys do so do the people who teach you that Chariters belong to Guru Ji.

As you blames other for that,may be you are such type o prostitues visiters obsessed by *****s.She is writan as wife of rich man and who call her protitute?Strange?

• Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?

People disrecpect Akal by un having faith and spreading lies about Charectors.

• Is it not true the present dasam granth was known as “bachitter natak” then known as “dasam paatshah ka granth”, then known as “dasam granth” and now people like you guys call it dasam guru granth sahib”. Why the name changes?

Do you knw that there are mnay names for Guru Granth Sahib.

Adi Granth.Darbar Sahib,Guru Granth Saib,Adi Guru Darbar.

One version is refere by Gyani Gyan Singh JI as one of Tenth Master.So as per your logic some one can talk ill of our Eternal Guru.

• Is it not true that there are many versions of dasam granth? Why? If it is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

Das wil give you thre versions of Guru Granth Sahib JI.
1.Mithi Beerh(of Kartarpur Sahib)
2.Khari or Bhai Bannu Wali Beerh(of Kanpur)
3.Damdami Beerh(our present Guru).

So Bhai Mani Singh version is only respected copy of Dasham Granth Sahib.

• Is it not true that first copy doesn’t have Sri Mukhwak paatshahi 10 at start of chariters, it also doesn’t have Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh?

Which one is the fisrt copy?Can you elaborate and das will verify.

This is rather as good news if it is true.So far Kala Afghana Sahib used to say that writer himself can not write his own name at start like Guru Gobind Singh Ji can not write Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvin ,but some other could write that.So you are removing that error.

• Guru had time to write 404 chariters but no time to write even one word about Peer Buddhu Shah and his sons who sacrificed their lives for Guru Ji?

Tommorow you will ask that why did not Mata Gujri’s Sacrifise not mentioned by Guru.What about Bhai Vachitar Singh?

Das told your stone mind that peer Budhu Shah had casulities and true Army man prefer to talk more of harm to foe then talking about csaulity on own side.

Would you like to discuss a lot about harms evil govt did to our Gurudwara,Kala Afghan Sahib did talk such things when he says that Water of Amritsar can not be Amrit as mnay Singhs dead body were afloat in that,after opratio blue star.

• If chariters are written by Guru Ji, then why isn’t chariter katha even done in Gurudwaras?

It is done at Chavanis of Nihungs,Taksal and Hajuris but there also,there are very few who can understand the stuff and can even pronouce what is written in there.

There are mnay verse in Darbar Sahib,of which,it is not easy to explain and only expert can do.There is one verse of St. Kabeer ,which talks of death of many after one dies.Not all can do Katha or explantion.

• They are never even read. Why?

They are read and read in other countires also

• When Akhand Paath of dasam granth is performed, Chariters are read silently. Why if it is Gurbani?

Stoop lying and spreadin false propoganda.They are there and then read and soon you will have their online Path also avialble.

• Why isn’t a Hukamnama taken from chariters?

It is taken.you do not know,that’s the problem.

• What if hukamnama from chariters is taken and hukamnama says call for opium, weed, liquor, morphine, etc. Have a lot of intercourse with all types of women. Are you going to follow the order? Are you going to take drugs? Are you going to have intercourse with all types of women?

By your logic explantion of evil at start of Japu Ji Sahib are more to encourage bad and we read bad in morning daily.
ਅਸੰਖ ਮੂਰਖ ਅੰਧ ਘੋਰ ॥
असंख मूरख अंध घोर ॥
asaNkh moorakh anDh ghor.
Countless fools, blinded by ignorance.
ਅਸੰਖ ਚੋਰ ਹਰਾਮਖੋਰ ॥
असंख चोर हरामखोर ॥
asaNkh chor haraamkhor.
Countless thieves and embezzlers.
ਅਸੰਖ ਅਮਰ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਜੋਰ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14772
असंख अमर करि जाहि जोर ॥
asaNkh amar kar jaahi jor.
Countless impose their will by force.
ਅਸੰਖ ਗਲਵਢ ਹਤਿਆ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥
असंख गलवढ हतिआ कमाहि ॥
asaNkh galvadh hati-aa kamaahi.
Countless cut-throats and ruthless killers.
ਅਸੰਖ ਪਾਪੀ ਪਾਪੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
असंख पापी पापु करि जाहि ॥
asaNkh paapee paap kar jaahi.
Countless sinners who keep on sinning.
ਅਸੰਖ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਕੂੜੇ ਫਿਰਾਹਿ ॥
असंख कूड़िआर कूड़े फिराहि ॥
asaNkh koorhi-aar koorhay firaahi.
Countless liars, wandering lost in their lies.
ਅਸੰਖ ਮਲੇਛ ਮਲੁ ਭਖਿ ਖਾਹਿ ॥
असंख मलेछ मलु भखि खाहि ॥
asaNkh malaychh mal bhakh khaahi.
Countless wretches, eating filth as their ration.
ਅਸੰਖ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਭਾਰੁ ॥
असंख निंदक सिरि करहि भारु ॥
asaNkh nindak sir karahi bhaar.
Countless slanderers, carrying the weight of their stupid mistakes on their heads.
ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਕਹੈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
नानकु नीचु कहै वीचारु ॥
naanak neech kahai veechaar.
Nanak describes the state of the lowly.
ਵਾਰਿਆ ਨ ਜਾਵਾ ਏਕ ਵਾਰ ॥
वारिआ न जावा एक वार ॥
vaari-aa na jaavaa ayk vaar.
I cannot even once be a sacrifice to You.
ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸਾਈ ਭਲੀ ਕਾਰ ॥
जो तुधु भावै साई भली कार ॥
jo tuDh bhaavai saa-ee bhalee kaar.
Whatever pleases You is the only good done,
Ang 4