Gurfateh
Biggest foes are direct Guru Nindaks so they need to be handled first.
They have to be handled with iron fist,but do you have that. ?
Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn't give new philosophy. It was the same as that of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
Then why Singh and Why Khalsa?for you Palace and foundation is same,it can be for you but not for all.
Poets have identified themselves and that is enough for me.
so in Guru Granth Sahib Ji,when word Nanak Does not come in verse,you may not follw that?And if it is conspiracy of hindus or Brahmins then why should poets give thier names?
Sikhs were already keeping the rehats.
Do you know that there was case in Delhi court when higher castes refused to take Sabres Amrit as they find it unfit to share with lower caste.Guru sent message favouring the lower castes.
Guru Sahib just finalized them. Sikhs were carrying Kirpans since time of Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji. Maybe you don't know but Guru Sahib only defended. Saving people from looters or saving daughters from devils is defending, not offending.
In War of Nadaun,guru took prememptive actions and so was the war of Haoshiyarpur.
Karni Nammah tells Raj Karega Khalsa only after Tenth Master.
Kirpan was sorry Khanda was there with First Master also(can be seen at Patna Sahib muesium) But he did not make an Army for fight Baber,He first made people arise.Final is differant from intial.
If someone reads all the charters with open mind, the person know what is work of which poet.
There is nothing to decode in shund #s. It is a mess up by uneducated people.
Thats the mani messed up things in narrow mind.
what you call uneducated people due to class or caste bias are lower caste wyou are been arose to revolt by Guru.
Guru Sahib never read Chandi Di Var for Bir russ as it wasn't needed. Neither is it needed now.
Prove it.
Old book from Bhangus says somtething else.
do not go Army,but learn Gatka and real one.When you get the cut on the neck,das has one on wrist.Then you will be able to know what is imporatnce of Chandi Di Var or Ugradanti.Das is sure that you do not know any.
Guru Sahib gave Dhadi Vars to get bir russ. Some dhadis do sing chandi di var but it isn't Gurmat.
Prove this.
Anyway in war we do not have to take Dhadis in Battle fied.We had Drums or Nagras in past.But presently at Hola or Gatka,we have dhols.And in real war time.We need Kanth Bani of Tenth Master,rather unto Tenth Master.
Number of dasam granth promoters is decreasing daily. If you don't believe me, then see for yourself. Other than the 10-15 sell out scholars. No other scholar accepts it.
So if RSS says to you that Sikhs are cutting thier hairs and becoming Hindu day by day,so we should act like sheep.
This also is your false Propoganda.
All real scholars respect truth and do not lie being cought in web of idelogy.
Also, Vijaydeep, you aren't the only scholar of Braaj or Sanskrit. Get rid of your ego and stop attacking missionaries.
Das has no ego.But are you an able scholar of Punjabi,which is relavent to Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
Das has sense of belonging to Missioaries.Das does not slanders but brings out thier weakness so that,they rectify the mistake.
did not das talked about some matters of indifferance with AKJ,Nihungs or Taksal.Read all the posts of das,and you will find.
Das wants missionries to think and do postive,motre time of them is spent in condeming Sants and Brahmins,while Sants are getting popular.
Supporters of missionaries are getting less.
Das has discussed this issue while talking about work of Bhia Sumra.
It was missionaries who kicked people like narianu out of Darbar Sahib. It was missionaries who launched and won the Morchas.
Did your derawalas win any morcha they launched?
They failed in all of them. Why? Because of dasam granth.
Was Maula Singh a missionary?Was Akali Kaur Singh a missionary?Was Baba Kaladhair a missionary?Was AKJ or Taksal guy missioary?Was Kartar Singh Jhaber a missionry?
They were Panthic.
Where have Dra Wallha failed? and how das is Dear Wall? and why due to Dasham Granth?Elaborate?90% plus guuys have not read,some like you have only read punjabi translations.
So called scholars of Sanskrit or Braj have learnt this languae for Academic,thing,not thier mother tongue or LAnguage of thier use.Braj Das can speak a little having a house in Braj Area.Sanskrit das used as language of worship when being a Hindu.
By the way one questioon for you.Which language is used the most in Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
more from privous posts
Gurfateh
“There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.”
What is pricess? I can’t find that word in dictionary. Did the writer mean prices? Doesn’t make sense. Tainka is t and tuttaa is q. Someone who doesn’t know how to properly read Punjabi or understand Punjabi (self admitted) is teaching me how to read Punjabi. Now biharis are going to teach Punjabis how to read Punjabi. What is the world coming to? I didn’t say there aren’t other kaurs. Where did I say other people can’t be kaurs? However, how do you know that the person isn’t trying to defame the Sikh Kaurs?
Term is princess.Thats Ok
Tutta is differant from Tatta it is U and A thing.
Das can understand Lehanda Punjabi as his maternal sides si of Punjabis.Doabi type thing is diffcult.
Das writes a dhola for you.
Balura Katura Sheen Akhaye
Sardul Dehendya Sahika Jaye.
Jus tot let you know that das knows some dialect of Lehnda punjabi.First Master had Bani in this dialect unto him.
Bihari ,Punjabi,Jaat/Teli or Jatt does not matter for a Baptised Sikh as we are told that our Birth place in Anadpur Sahib.
In India,Punjabi is more an abuse refering to Lalas,who are blood suckers and Sirdar JI is title for Sikhs and it is with respect.
Das will touch Kaur issue in next para.
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Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.”
What is awawe? I have never seen that word in dictionary either. Kuare kuAir does mean kumari also but in Punjab people don’t have names like that. Kaur also means princess. So the lady can be a Sikh girl in chariters 21-23 but who knows what poet the poet means. It is not like the poet was a Sikh. Raam, Shyam, Kal or Soom aren’t Sikhs. Do you think I care about your vaishnu devi? She is just mythical like 24 avtar.
In Punjab and further north ,Hindus do have such name.Grand mother of Das had name Kailash Kumari.
Das put refreance for just to tell yuo about Hindu name north of Punjab.
Akal is not only Sikh but Guru also and Ram,Siam are names of the name.All names are of Akal.
“No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.”
True that it doesn’t come as Anoop Kaur but it is not Noop Ku-ari either. It is Noop Kuar. It is very important to learn to pronounce Gumukhi. Learning the alphabet isn’t good enough to pronounce Punjabi words.
Kuare kuAir does have 2 meanings:
- A girl under 5 years old
- A princess. (what is the last name of Sikh women?)
Is the language Punajbi over there?Is that not Braj?
do you know that hindu,Hindi etc are not Hindi words so are Punjab and Punjabis are Punjabis words,Can you tell me how?
Let us see your language skills.
Dictionary is of Punjabi,the way it may not have terms of Sanskrit and farsi of Gurbani,so does it will not have meaning of Braj.
Das Gives you Gurmukhi scripts for Both Kaur and ku-ari and let see which is meant by Hindu and which is meant by a Sikh.
for you this can be same as you want this
ਕੌਰ and ਕੁਅਰਿ but are you sure that this ku-ari is not used for other Hindus in same text only?Ku ar is used and Ku ari is also used.Read the Chairters which Bhai Sumra has pointed.Yuo will find some gudance over there.
“But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem.
Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib?
Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.”
I don’t accept prostitutes becoming Amritdhari. This is too much. Prostitute must live a good life as juttee jqI sutte for like 10-15 years before she can be called Amritdhari. Here I mean juttee jqI according to Gurmat and not according to brahmnical philosophy. When did I say Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn’t talk about reforming bad people? RSS agents should be reformed too. So should be tria chariter followers. However, some pass the line and are too far to be reformed. Where did I say that the term prostitute doesn’t come in Guru Granth Sahib Ji? People should respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji and shouldn’t say “Guru ranth Sahib Ji”. Thirty points aren’t needed to prove a point. For me, one Gurbani tukh is enough. Proves that there is no need for tria chariters and there is no way it could have been written by Guru Ji, especially when the poets clearly identify themselves. I will post quotes later. Remind me if I don’t as I have a fairly busy schedule.
Das is sorry,it should be Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Das understands that you do not want practising Prostitue to be an Amritdhari.But what about lady who leaves her job after baptism?
From where do you find 15 years or so probations.
And some people can not be refrom as you say was the idelogy of Brahmin Surdas,And Guru Ji edited the verse,in which he said that as blot sort of a thing is irremovblae so that people can not be reformed.
ਛਾਡਿ ਮਨ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਮੁਖਨ ਕੋ ਸੰਗੁ ॥
छाडि मन हरि बिमुखन को संगु ॥
chhaad man har bimukhan ko sang.
O mind, do not even associate with those who have turned their backs on the Lord.
ਸਾਰੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਸੂਰਦਾਸ ॥
सारंग महला ५ सूरदास ॥
saarang mehlaa 5 soordaas.
Saarang, Fifth Mehl, Sur Daas:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸੰਗ ਬਸੇ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਕ ॥
हरि के संग बसे हरि लोक ॥
har kay sang basay har lok.
The people of the Lord dwell with the Lord.
ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਅਰਪਿ ਸਰਬਸੁ ਸਭੁ ਅਰਪਿਓ ਅਨਦ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਝੋਕ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
तनु मनु अरपि सरबसु सभु अरपिओ अनद सहज धुनि झोक ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
tan man arap sarbas sabh arpi-o anad sahj Dhun jhok. ||1|| rahaa-o.
They dedicate their minds and bodies to Him; they dedicate everything to Him. They are intoxicated with the celestial melody of intuitive ecstasy. ||1||Pause||
ਦਰਸਨੁ ਪੇਖਿ ਭਏ ਨਿਰਬਿਖਈ ਪਾਏ ਹੈ ਸਗਲੇ ਥੋਕ ॥
दरसनु पेखि भए निरबिखई पाए है सगले थोक ॥
darsan paykh bha-ay nirbikha-ee paa-ay hai saglay thok.
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Lord's Darshan, they are cleansed of corruption. They obtain absolutely everything.
ਆਨ ਬਸਤੁ ਸਿਉ ਕਾਜੁ ਨ ਕਛੂਐ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਬਦਨ ਅਲੋਕ ॥੧॥
आन बसतु सिउ काजु न कछूऐ सुंदर बदन अलोक ॥१॥
aan basat si-o kaaj na kachhoo-ai sundar badan alok. ||1||
They have nothing to do with anything else; they gaze on the beauteous Face of God. ||1||
ਸਿਆਮ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਤਜਿ ਆਨ ਜੁ ਚਾਹਤ ਜਿਉ ਕੁਸਟੀ ਤਨਿ ਜੋਕ ॥
सिआम सुंदर तजि आन जु चाहत जिउ कुसटी तनि जोक ॥
si-aam sundar taj aan jo chaahat ji-o kustee tan jok.
But one who forsakes the elegantly beautiful Lord, and harbors desire for anything else, is like a leech on the body of a leper.
ਸੂਰਦਾਸ ਮਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਹਥਿ ਲੀਨੋ ਦੀਨੋ ਇਹੁ ਪਰਲੋਕ ॥੨॥੧॥੮॥
सूरदास मनु प्रभि हथि लीनो दीनो इहु परलोक ॥२॥१॥८॥
soordaas man parabh hath leeno deeno ih parlok. ||2||1||8||
Says Sur Daas, God has taken my mind in His Hands. He has blessed me with the world beyond. ||2||1||8||
Ang 1253
first line only is by Surdas Ji or Onto him and then next line is not allowed and Verse by Fifth Master comes.
Anyone can be reformed by Akal,examples of Ajamil and Ganika are given only to show might of Akal,capable to do anything.
“Another non snese thing.
Listen son
You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar).
Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called {censored} also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow.
Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?”
What is non snese? Did the writer mean non sneeze? What does sneezing have to do with tria chariters? Is it abshagun? Gurmat doesn’t believe in sagans or absagans. I help everyone who asks for help. I think good for all in the world. World is in turmoil and will stay this way until Akaal does blessing. Of course hindus have prostitutes. That is why those types of people wrote tria chariters so they can pull the Sikhs to the same boat but it will not happen. Sikhs are waking up and will take charge when Akaal orders. Your knowledge on prostitutes doesn’t help promote kaam shaster as Guru written. It is still the work of soom, raam, shyam and kal. I not talking about prostitutes in mandirs. Mandirs have a tradition of having devdaasis. Mandirs in still have them. A lot of other ones were Muslim.
Read is non Sense.
Ganika is prostitue for King as per Hinduism.As per you Temples prostitue should be holy that we should not call her prostitue?
Ram,Syam all are name of Akal.Read name in a verse in prvious Para.
hindus doing this and Sikhs doing that is nothing more then useless jingoism.
What Sikhs have to do Sikhs are doing and Hindus have no say in front of them.
“And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?”
This is another direct attack to disrespect me. Where did I noup kuar was poor? Quote it. Why are two chariters being mixed up? Chariters 21-23 and 16 are different. They should not be fixed. If the difference between chariters can’t be hold by some people, how can they tell the difference between Gurbani and stories of corruption? Gurmat is about Guru and Akaal. Gurbanis connects the person to Akaal and brings peace of mind while tria chariters make all relationships in the world questionable. E.g. No one is willing to accept such garbage as tria chariters as Gurbani unless the person is anti-Panthic or uneducated.
Was there not a question that prostitues were Muslims then why name Kaur comes for them.There is no sikh lady nor term Kaur is there.
Das is sorry that he hurt your ego.forgive this foolish filthy lower caste Bihairi.yuo are great and those who do not follow you are fools and mad.Happy.
coming to realtionship issue.They are been told about non Sikhs and exposing the hypocry in them vide Charitropakhyan.
Uneducated things,thats what das wanted to let you know that what you call undeucated,They are the and were the real farmers(jatt) Grazier(Gujars)Sweepers(Churha) whose langauge is used to oppse thieir oppressers.
sometime Gurbani reading also does not bring peace but arise to do war.Jo Lahre Deen Ke Haith.BUt wil of god for peace bringing is needed.
To das Triya Charitar brings epace mre with 266 and 405.Latter one has Chaupyee Sahib das read daily in evening.
See about realtionships.
ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ॥
देवगंधारी महला ९ ॥
dayvganDhaaree mehlaa 9.
Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree, Ninth Mehl:
ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਜੀਵਤ ਕੋ ਬਿਵਹਾਰ ॥
सभ किछु जीवत को बिवहार ॥
sabh kichh jeevat ko bivhaar.
All things are mere diversions of life:
ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਭਾਈ ਸੁਤ ਬੰਧਪ ਅਰੁ ਫੁਨਿ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਕੀ ਨਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
मात पिता भाई सुत बंधप अरु फुनि ग्रिह की नारि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
maat pitaa bhaa-ee sut banDhap ar fun garih kee naar. ||1|| rahaa-o.
mother, father, siblings, children, relatives and the wife of your home. ||1||Pause||
ਤਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਹੋਤ ਜਬ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਟੇਰਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤਿ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ॥
तन ते प्रान होत जब निआरे टेरत प्रेति पुकारि ॥
tan tay paraan hot jab ni-aaray tayrat parayt pukaar.
When the soul is separated from the body, then they will cry out, calling you a ghost.
ਆਧ ਘਰੀ ਕੋਊ ਨਹਿ ਰਾਖੈ ਘਰ ਤੇ ਦੇਤ ਨਿਕਾਰਿ ॥੧॥
आध घरी कोऊ नहि राखै घर ते देत निकारि ॥१॥
aaDh gharee ko-oo neh raakhai ghar tay dayt nikaar. ||1||
No one will let you stay, for even half an hour; they drive you out of the house. ||1||
ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਜਿਉ ਜਗ ਰਚਨਾ ਯਹ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ ॥
म्रिग त्रिसना जिउ जग रचना यह देखहु रिदै बिचारि ॥
marig tarisnaa ji-o jag rachnaa yeh daykhhu ridai bichaar.
The created world is like an illusion, a mirage - see this, and reflect upon it in your mind.
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਜੁ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਤ ਜਾ ਤੇ ਹੋਤ ਉਧਾਰ ॥੨॥੨॥
कहु नानक भजु राम नाम नित जा ते होत उधार ॥२॥२॥
kaho naanak bhaj raam naam nit jaa tay hot uDhaar. ||2||2||
Says Nanak, vibrate forever the Name of the Lord, which shall deliver you. ||2||2||
Ang 536
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
रागु गूजरी महला ५ ॥
raag goojree mehlaa 5.
Raag Goojaree, Fifth Mehl:
ਕਾਹੇ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਚਿਤਵਹਿ ਉਦਮੁ ਜਾ ਆਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਪਰਿਆ ॥
काहे रे मन चितवहि उदमु जा आहरि हरि जीउ परिआ ॥
kaahay ray man chitvahi udam jaa aahar har jee-o pari-aa.
Why, O mind, do you plot and plan, when the Dear Lord Himself provides for your care?
ਸੈਲ ਪਥਰ ਮਹਿ ਜੰਤ ਉਪਾਏ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਰਿਜਕੁ ਆਗੈ ਕਰਿ ਧਰਿਆ ॥੧॥
सैल पथर महि जंत उपाए ता का रिजकु आगै करि धरिआ ॥१॥
sail pathar meh jant upaa-ay taa kaa rijak aagai kar Dhari-aa. ||1||
From rocks and stones He created living beings; He places their nourishment before them. ||1||
ਮੇਰੇ ਮਾਧਉ ਜੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਸੁ ਤਰਿਆ ॥
मेरे माधउ जी सतसंगति मिले सु तरिआ ॥
mayray maaDha-o jee satsangat milay so tari-aa.
O my Dear Lord of souls, one who joins the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, is saved.
ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਸੂਕੇ ਕਾਸਟ ਹਰਿਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
गुर परसादि परम पदु पाइआ सूके कासट हरिआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
gur parsaad param pad paa-i-aa sookay kaasat hari-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
By Guru's Grace, the supreme status is obtained, and the dry wood blossoms forth again in lush greenery. ||1||Pause||
ਜਨਨਿ ਪਿਤਾ ਲੋਕ ਸੁਤ ਬਨਿਤਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਕਿਸ ਕੀ ਧਰਿਆ ॥
जननि पिता लोक सुत बनिता कोइ न किस की धरिआ ॥
janan pitaa lok sut banitaa ko-ay na kis kee Dhari-aa.
Mothers, fathers, friends, children and spouses-no one is the support of anyone else.
ਸਿਰਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਰਿਜਕੁ ਸੰਬਾਹੇ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਕਾਹੇ ਮਨ ਭਉ ਕਰਿਆ ॥੨॥
सिरि सिरि रिजकु स्मबाहे ठाकुरु काहे मन भउ करिआ ॥२॥
sir sir rijak sambaahay thaakur kaahay man bha-o kari-aa. ||2||
For each and every person, our Lord and Master provides sustenance. Why are you so afraid, O mind? ||2||
ਊਡੇ ਊਡਿ ਆਵੈ ਸੈ ਕੋਸਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਪਾਛੈ ਬਚਰੇ ਛਰਿਆ ॥
ऊडे ऊडि आवै सै कोसा तिसु पाछै बचरे छरिआ ॥
ooday ood aavai sai kosaa tis paachhai bachray chhari-aa.
The flamingoes fly hundreds of miles, leaving their young ones behind.
ਤਿਨ ਕਵਣੁ ਖਲਾਵੈ ਕਵਣੁ ਚੁਗਾਵੈ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿਆ ॥੩॥
तिन कवणु खलावै कवणु चुगावै मन महि सिमरनु करिआ ॥३॥
tin kavan khalaavai kavan chugaavai man meh simran kari-aa. ||3||
Who feeds them, and who teaches them to feed themselves? Have you ever thought of this in your mind? ||3||
ਸਭਿ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਦਸ ਅਸਟ ਸਿਧਾਨ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਰ ਤਲ ਧਰਿਆ ॥
सभि निधान दस असट सिधान ठाकुर कर तल धरिआ ॥
sabh niDhaan das asat sidhaan thaakur kar tal Dhari-aa.
All the nine treasures, and the eighteen supernatural powers are held by our Lord and Master in the Palm of His Hand.
ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਲਿ ਬਲਿ ਸਦ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਈਐ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਰਿਆ ॥੪॥੫॥
जन नानक बलि बलि सद बलि जाईऐ तेरा अंतु न पारावरिआ ॥४॥५॥
jan naanak bal bal sad bal jaa-ee-ai tayraa ant na paraavari-aa. ||4||5||
Servant Nanak is devoted, dedicated, forever a sacrifice to You, Lord. Your Expanse has no limit, no boundary. ||4||5||
Ang 10
and all is Akal.And no need to have faith inworldy things but Akal.
“so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.”
I want world to focus on Guru Granth Sahib Ji and discard anything which defames Guru Ji or questions the social structure of society. If Dasam Granth is read by everyone, say goodbye to all relationships in the world.
what about verse given by das in last para.If Guru Granth Sahib Ji tells Qazi being crrupt then that does not means that Sikhs should be crruopt.
“Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.?
Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that.
But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.”
Without understanding, nothing is gained. Understanding is the key. Did the woman understand? No she didn’t. She didn’t accept she was wrong so then there is issue (chariter 16). I am talking about the personality of the Guru and not the physical attributes. My mistake if I wasn’t clear. Pathan was just a gdaar like tria chariter promoters and had no gyan or dhyan.
Prove that Triya Chairtar promoters are traiters.What about Bhasauris and Nirankairs,they opposed Dasham Granth and are proven faithfull!Irony,they have been the biggest traiters.
in stroy of 21,22 and 23 Lady understond while in 16 she did not.
But are Guru Ji in 16th stroy?
Anyway a person,who takes emplyemnt and does not get reforemd due to Akal's wrath,then for some time meeting,it is onto Gur ,to let Sikh or non Sikh understand.that Guru is Akal.
Without gyan and dhyan, the person is lost. Pathan was brainwashed by mullas just like Dasam Granth promoters brainwash their students.
Pathans went off due to greed.
prove that how are Dasham Granth student are like Mullahs and people like you are not like Wahabis?
If person says that I do Gyan and Dhyn or some doe that,then he/she has aalready lost.
However, in Sikhi, both physical form and internal form must be inline with Gurbani. Guru has power to change the mind of people if wanted. E.g. Said Khan. Everyone has a weakness except Guru Ji. There are words which change even the worst of the worst. E.g. Guru Nanak Dev Ji changing Sajjan Thug, Kauda Bheel, etc.; Guru Aangad Dev Ji changing Hmaayu and others. Guru Gobind Singh Ji changing Said Khan, Dulla and then finally changing Aurangzeb. However, this woman talked back to Guru and had no honor. .
If Guru want Guru can change.As Guru did not change many as das wrte about Pathans.
which women are you taling about and are we sure that 16 charecer is of Guru only?
And Pathans attacked Guru.
More flaws in these chariters will be exposed when translations are done.
Thanks as it will help das to expose,the wrong tranlation which is done with bias in mind.
They will be done so Sikhs are no longer fooled by RSS propaganda
The way some so called Chiristians talk too much about Satan then Yehova,more then Akal you think of RSS.
OK das puts link for you and counter the propoganda,if you can.
We have been doing such things agaonst them and had you not been posting falsehood,das would have been there by now.
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yuo find more happyness to fight own brothers.Let us see how you fight them.go there with your this name and teach them the lesson.And answer teh doubt they raised about Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Guru Ji says
“Saabat Soorat Dastaar Siraaa” so physical saroop is also important.
Das is aware that your knwledge is very good.Let us see what all this verse is all about.
ਕਾਇਆ ਕਿਰਦਾਰ ਅਉਰਤ ਯਕੀਨਾ ॥
काइआ किरदार अउरत यकीना ॥
kaa-i-aa kirdaar a-urat yakeenaa.
Let good deeds be your body, and faith your bride.
ਰੰਗ ਤਮਾਸੇ ਮਾਣਿ ਹਕੀਨਾ ॥
रंग तमासे माणि हकीना ॥
rang tamaasay maan hakeenaa.
Play and enjoy the Lord's love and delight.
ਨਾਪਾਕ ਪਾਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ਹਦੀਸਾ ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਦਸਤਾਰ ਸਿਰਾ ॥੧੨॥
नापाक पाकु करि हदूरि हदीसा साबत सूरति दसतार सिरा ॥१२॥
naapaak paak kar hadoor hadeesaa saabat soorat dastaar siraa. ||12||
Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head. ||12||
Ang 1084
Here a Muslim is told that unbroken concentrations should be his turban.Is this supports Turban?By the way is not your concentration broken with doubts?
As you have said,due to Guru Granth Sahib Purism like you das is asked questions about uncut hairs vide this verse.
Ang 1365
ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥
कबीर प्रीति इक सिउ कीए आन दुबिधा जाइ ॥
kabeer pareet ik si-o kee-ay aan dubiDhaa jaa-ay.
Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.
ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥
भावै लांबे केस करु भावै घररि मुडाइ ॥२५॥
bhaavai laaNbay kays kar bhaavai gharar mudaa-ay. ||25||
You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25||
It is futher strange that a person who oppse Amdinstrative concept of Peeri and Sipahi concpet of offenses in Chartro Pakhayan talks about physical things.
“1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him).
2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru.
3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru.
4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him?
5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru?
6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.
7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.”
Baba Siri Chund was not a Sikh. He started his own mutt. He didn’t stay much with Guru Nanak Dev Ji so he didn’t have the understanding. Datu was inflicted by ego and wanted to be Guru just like those labeled sants and brahmgyanis. They also want to be called Guru thus defame Guru Ji by linking Guru Ji to ******* poetry such as tria chariters. However, they know that if they directly claim to be Guru, they will be kicked out like narakdharis and kookas. Baba Mohan gave pothis to Guru Arjan Dev Ji as per some sakhis but it is not true. Bani was handed over to Guru from Guru. This is not true. These are just Sakhis made up. Prithvi was run by ego and had wanted to be Guru. As for jallad, jallad was just doing as ordered. He didn’t want to make Guru Ji Shaheed. He also killed Chundoo after, if you didn’t know. Chandu was a terrorist and was with jahagir. This is history and doesn’t defame Guru Ji but does praise of Guru Ji as it shows how Guru Ji didn’t fear, didn’t change Bani and didn’t bow to anti-Panthic forces to please them. This is totally different from tria chariters. If someone can’t tell the difference then there are personal issues to take care of. Dheermal was from Guru Khaandaan and wanted to be Guru so this is also a different case.
Over here you yourself have proved what das wanted to say that it is no compulsion onto Guru,to reform all,but only onto whom Akal wants to have mercy.Das knows that you do not like word Akal been used by das often but all power in das is of Akal,and in you too.
Each time you bring Triya Charitars and allagations,without proving them.That shows your frsutration.But still das wishes well to you.
He it does Guru Upma again as Guru Sahib recited Adi Granth Sahib from spiritual strength again. This does praise of Guru again.
So you belive in miracles also.At one time you oppse Taksal,who says that they are formed after such incidents.Old books like Sau Sakhi tells that Guru Ki Kashi was made before leaving Anandpur Sahib.
You do not follow what missionary thinks and das also thinks the same.As at the time of Tenth Guru,there was only one copy of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,what Tenth Guru did was only to add,the Ninth Guru bani into that.
The bad people and good people story isn’t related in this situation. They didn’t see Guru because they didn’t have the understanding. It doesn’t fault the Guru. What can Guru do if the chela is blind?
what is the Guru's fault when person in question is not at all a Sikh ?
Even when Chela or non Cheal is blind Guru,if want can reform that.
Gurbani says this. However, the chariter situation is different. It is defaming Guru Ji by saying Guru Ji got fooled by a woman full of lust. I don’t know all these points are related? It is a totally different situation. If tria chariter followers want to question Guru by saying Guru wasn’t all powerful, then that is their issue. It is unbelievable on how low the people are willing to do to promote tria chariters but if we think about it, it isn’t hard to understand
Here in 16th Chaecter there is no Guru.
and in 21st,22nd and 23rd,we have Lady getting reformed by a lord.
As Guru is all powerfull so Guru is sovernge,Guru can act as Guru please and is not bounded by ideolgy and that also is based upon wrong interpetaions.
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Thos who can link garbage written by shyam, raam, kal and soom to Guru Ji, they won’t have trouble attacking Guru Ji in other situations either. May Akaal give them some wisdom and understanding and show them the light of truth.
a peron who does misinterpetaion of Gurbani,is attacking Guru.
Garbage etc. words does not undermines the the fact that you have to prove this as garbage.Ram,Syam are all names of Akal.
coming to your prayer.Do not take it wrong but sometimes das feels that you act like those very people yuo oppose.
