Gurbani Contemplation - Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji

Astroboy · #1 (**permalink**) 23-Jan-2009, 12:40 PM

Dear Members, I just enrolled myself as a student of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Academy Malaysia and hope to present the syllabus online so that anyone else can also be a cyber student, along with me. The classes are held in KL and Seremban on Sundays for 90 minutes and these two books are the first semester syllabus. So feel free to direct anyone who has the yeaning to attend such courses, to join us online here in SPN. We have Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji (online) to assist us to further the discussion and answer your queries. There is no fees charged, it's free. You may donate any sum to SPN according to your sharda.
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~ namjap~ a.k.a. Santokh Singh (Seremban)

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 23-Jan-2009, 13:10 PM

Guru Piayare Sardar Santokh Singh Jio (naam japp),
GURFATEH.

Congratulations on this step in your life...Hope that Guru Ji's Grace/Kirpa showers you.
Others who would like to know more may not be aware that that this Gurmatt Academy that Veer Ji just joined for Gurbani Classes also has a WEB PRESENCE... Here is the address - Home.
MY advice...... click..on the web address given......and embark on a spiritual journey you will not regret..the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji truly is an ocean that fulfills ALL desires...
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God Speed....

Astroboy · #3 (**permalink**) 23-Jan-2009, 14:03 PM

Since the ebooks are already available online.

We can just extract those passages for discussion.
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This is what I mean : Publications | Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia

"Branding Help us spread the word of the website as far as possible. We want people to visit this website to download katha, Bania and everything else this site has to offer - and remember, it's all free to the sangat. This is one of our ways of spreading the message of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji." - Sri Guru Granth Sahib JiAM

Narayanjot Kaur · #4 (**permalink**) 23-Jan-2009, 18:29 PM

They did an EXCELLENT job organizing the materials on the web site. And very clear and attractive. I will read it.

Astroboy · #5 (**permalink**) 24-Jan-2009, 14:58 PM

A Brief Introduction on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia

Link: Home

Gurbani Contemplations - Selok Kabir Ji is one of the three books a student like me has to go through (reading, followed by discussions). This ebook is available online (for free) and anyone wishing to join our SPN discussion here may do so by involving themselves.

Since I am actually attending a class physically, the instructions and reading homework will also apply online at the same time period. The classes are held on Sundays for about 90 minutes which include reading of :-
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First Pothi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,
Bhagats of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and
Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji.
See Link: Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Course
This is basically the first semester learning syllabus.

Since we have just started on the second week now of the first semester,
it would be good to direct as many people to SPN so that they can benefit from this
FREE ONLINE COURSE by becoming SPN sangat immediately.
You are free to donate to SPN any sum according to your sharda.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23905

Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji Arshi (well-known Gyani Ji amongst the Sikh Sangat in
Kuala Lumpur) will assist us here in SPN to further the discussion and answer any queries.

Instructions and Homework (for immediate discussion)

Read 20 Selok from Page 1 to 12 from
this link : Gurbani Contemplation - Selok Bhagat Kabirji | Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia -
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia

Homework for the second Book - Bhagat's of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, refer to this thread :
l#26 (permalink)

Student,
Santokh Singh, Seremban, Malaysia.

Astroboy · #6 (**permalink**) 25-Jan-2009, 21:23 PM

I have a question which bothers me. Please read the whole of page 17 of this link :
and tell me if this is Gurmat or a fairy tale. Particularly about 110 lifetimes.

Bhagats of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji | Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Academy Malaysia

Narayanjot Kaur · #7 (**permalink**) 25-Jan-2009, 22:09 PM

NamJap ji

Some are going to dismiss this as a fairy-tale and argue that children should be protected from stories like this. Others will contemplate the story and get to the core idea.
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It is a parable and it does not matter whether it is historically true or false. The message is True. So my reaction is to ask: What is the message? I am still pondering this question.

The story is very beautiful and emotionally stunning. My heart is not as pure at the heart of Bhagat Dhanna ji. The pure are often those with the most unsophisticated vichaar. They go straight to the heart of truth. Remember that "the inner knower of hearts" in several of these sakhi is a luminous child -- "A little child shall lead you..." Forgive me.

Astroboy · #8 (**permalink**) 25-Jan-2009, 22:32 PM

Quote:

Particularly about 110 lifetimes.

The reason I brought this up is because last night I read Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji as follows:-
ਕਬੀਰ ਮਾਨਸ ਜਨਮੁ ਦੁਲੰਭੁ ਹੈ ਹੋਇ ਨ ਬਾਰੈ ਬਾਰ ॥
कबीर मानस जनमु दुल्मभु है होइ न बारै बार ॥
Kabīr mānas janam ḏulambẖ hai ho▫e na bārai bār.
Kabeer, it is so difficult to obtain this human body; it does not just come over and over again.

ਜਿਉ ਬਨ ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਭੁਇ ਗਿਰਹਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਨ ਲਾਗਹਿ ਡਾਰ ॥੩੦॥
जिउ बन फल पाके भुइ गिरहि बहुरि न लागहि डार ॥३०॥
Ji▫o ban fal pāke bẖu▫e girėh bahur na lāgėh dār. ||30||
It is like the ripe fruit on the tree; when it falls to the ground, it cannot be re-attached to the branch. ||30||

Narayanjot Kaur · #9 (**permalink**) 25-Jan-2009, 22:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namjap

The reason I brought this up is because last night I read Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji as follows:-
ਕਬੀਰ ਮਾਨਸ ਜਨਮੁ ਦੁਲੰਭੁ ਹੈ ਹੋਇ ਨ ਬਾਰੈ ਬਾਰ ॥
कबीर मानस जनमु दुल्मभु है होइ न बारै बार ॥
Kabīr mānas janam ḏulambẖ hai ho▫e na bārai bār.
Kabeer, it is so difficult to obtain this human body; it does not just come over and over again.

ਜਿਉ ਬਨ ਫਲ ਪਾਕੇ ਭੁਇ ਗਿਰਹਿ ਬਹੁਰਿ ਨ ਲਾਗਹਿ ਡਾਰ ॥੩੦॥
जिउ बन फल पाके भुइ गिरहि बहुरि न लागहि डार ॥३०॥
Ji▫o ban fal pāke bẖu▫e girėh bahur na lāgėh dār. ||30||
It is like the ripe fruit on the tree; when it falls to the ground, it cannot be re-attached to the branch. ||30||

NamJap ji

My understanding of this vaak. It is always urgent and crucial to detach ourselves from all that is negative and instead, make amends and seek Sat Sang with Sadhsanghatth. We have only one chance to obtain mukhti, with God's grace. If we stray from dharma and neglect dhyanna and remembrance of the Name of the Divine, we may never have another opportunity.

Forgive me if I misunderstand the direction of your comments. 110 lifetimes signifies that in all those lifetimes Dhanna had always been sincere in his faith and had now in this one, the one of simplest faith, attained the greatest state. Complete surrender in love and submission to Waheguru. He never wavered, never left the path of devotion, never strayed in doubt. Not in a single lifetime.

Narayanjot Kaur · #10 (**permalink**) 25-Jan-2009, 23:12 PM

The saloka by Kabir and the story of Dhanna actually are intertwined. Kabir ji: Do not stray even once! Dhanna: The story of one who never strayed.