"Militant" Sikhs ruin wedding after barricading temple

Militant Sikhs ruin wedding after barricading temple

They were opposed to multi-faith marriage
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/united-states/38747-militant-sikhs-ruin-wedding-after-barricading.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ng-temple.html
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Against interfaith marraige but not against shaving, how odd.

The Anand karaj is held in the presence of the GURU - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji who gives advice in the form of Laavan and other shabads sung at this ceremony. As a Non-SIKH wouldnt have any FAITH in the Guru or what He says in the Hukmnamah, ardass etc..its hypocritical for a NON-SIKH to insist on standing before the GURU he doesnt beleive in. The Anand karaj is a RELIGIOUS function and shoudlnt be held for FUN. I have come across a couple having a Anand karaj in a Mandir (bride Hindu) and Anand karaj in a Gurdwara (Groom sikh) or one in a Church and later second one in a Gurdwara or mandir..This is called FUN. Would the GOVT allow one Civil marriage in front of say a ASian Registrar (groom Punjabi) and another in front of White Christian (Bride white christian )..or one civil ceremony by a West African Registrar and a second one in front of a Sikh Registrar because the Husband is West African and the Bride is Sikh. ??? CaN EITHER THE bRIDFE OR GROOM proclaim THAT i dont have faith IN THE uk registrar..or UK Laws on marriage..etc and the registrar still allows the registration ?? A NON-SIKH is actually making a statement.I am NOT a SIKH. Can NON BRITISH CITIZENS register in a Civil marriage in UK ?? if NOT why NOT ? Why the "requirements"...similar requirements exist for an ANAND KARAJ.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747

The TITLE is MISLEADING and PROVOCATIVE as Ususal...what is MILITANT about these Sikhs ??

BTW..the two in the photo at the gate DONT LOOK like SIKHS at all. IF Most of them are like that..the title of the article should be..a GANG DISRUPTS Gurdawra Programme...and the MAJORITY SIKHS should have stepped IN and ENDED such a sacrilege as its the cowardly way out to just keep quiet and ignore this. Next time the GANG will disrupt any programme it doenst agree with. SIKHS must Always have FULL Control of their Gurdwaras....not getting LOCKED OUT by Babas (Daljit of chaicago did that..or by Shady trustees ( NY Rochestor Gurdwara is like that ) or by Gangs of youngsters...its going on too long...

Attached is Akal Takhat hukmanamah banning all such MIXED marriages inside Gurdwaras.

Gyaniji,

Although you raise valid points, these same points probably apply to 99% of all Sikh weddings, not just this one.

I don't know what the problem is here. What are these so called militants doing wrong ?- It is ALL blown out of proportion, as in the top page where it says 'hooded miltitants'- Now 'hooded' criminals are 'hooded' so to help disguise themselves.
Do you really think that this group of men were disguising themselves?

Gyanji, I agree with your statement 100%, this was to be a wedding for just some 'show' and 'fun'.

In my opinion, I'm sure that the gurdwara and members of the family would have been warned not to go ahead-insulting guruji.
As a last resort, they physically got there in numbers to peacefully prevent it happening.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747

As per SRM-
Article XVIII
k. Persons professing faiths other than the Sikh faith cannot be joined in wedlock by the Anand Karaj ceremony.


This group would have had some knowledge about the groom. If the groom was a true churchgoer and had no understanding or respect of sikhi, then that itself is NOT the way forward.

I know some of you will think that religion should not be used to hold back a couple that may love each other and want to be together. But, if there is an issue of different religions, like this case, then religion should not be bought into the equation.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747
Why bring it in without it's true meaning ?
Why bring the sacred ceremony in and deface it ?

I agree, Anand Karaj sanchar is for Sikhs only.

I understand where you are all coming from peacesignkaur
I don't think that any of us are actually speaking out against interfaith marriage, in terms of a civil ceremony between two people of different faiths, which is I think fully legitimate and should certainly never be discouraged.

However what we are talking about is non-Sikhs partaing of a matrimonial ceremony only for Sikhs - Anand Karaj.

To me, an outsider looking in, this is not at all wrong.

Catholics and people from other faiths, for example, are permitted to be married. The Catholic Church actually allows this to take place in a Catholic Church, which would be the only difference, however non-Christians cannot have a sacramental marriage in the Catholic Church because they are not baptised and the marriage is to be celebrated outside Mass (but not necessarily outside a Church if they so wish). A sacramental marriage in the Catholic Church can only be had by two baptized Christians (need not both be Catholics ie one could be Protestant or Orthodox).
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747

A marriage between a Catholic and a non-Christian is thus a fully recognised, valid marriage in the eyes of the Catholic Church but not the Sacrament of Matrimony because one has to be a baptized Christian and a believer in the doctrines of Trinitarian Christianity to partake of this sanctifying grace from God.

A Catholic marrying a non-Christian thus cannot celebrate their wedding as a Nuptial Mass.


Read:


"...Marriage is only a sacrament when between baptized Christians. When a Catholic marries a non-Christian their marriage can be celebrated, as a covenant bond in a Catholic wedding ceremony, but it is not a sacrament...Marriages between Catholics and non Christians, while they may still be valid in the eyes of the Church, are non-sacramental. With permission, a priest or deacon may witness such marriages...A Nuptial Mass is a Mass which includes the celebration of the sacrament of marriage. It has special readings and prayers suitable to the Sacrament of Marriage. The Sacrament of Marriage between two baptized Catholics should normally be celebrated within Mass. If the situation warrants it and the local bishop gives permission, a Nuptial Mass may be celebrated for a marriage between a Catholic and a baptized person who is not a Catholic, except that Communion is not given to the non-Catholic since the general law of the church does not allow it. In such instances, it is better to use the appropriate ritual for marriage outside Mass. This is always the case in a marriage between a baptized Catholic and a non-baptized person...If a Catholic marries a non-baptised person, the marriage is to be celebrated outside Mass...The Rite for Celebrating Marriage between a Catholic and an unbaptized person is set outside Mass within a Liturgy of the Word.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38747
Given multiple options for various elements, a couple can make choices that reflect their aspirations for marriage and are most appropriate for their family and the local community. The wedding liturgy can be personally expressive while proclaiming the Catholic vision for their union. The third form of the Rite for Celebrating Marriage, between a Catholic and an unbaptized person, while not a Sacrament (an unbaptized person does not celebrate a sacrament) is a complete and valid rite, signifying a permanent bond, that offers the couple many options. When the couple makes choices that reflect their own prayerfulness, religious practice, and social responsibility, their individuality and hopes for marriage will shine out in their Scripture, prayer, and music selections. Their wedding will be the holy, hospitable, and happy celebration it is meant to be, reflective of the Church’s vision for their marriage... "


However the Catholic Church stills prefers that the spouses have some kind of Catholic wedding at least alongside a civil one or one in another religious body, which is the only difference I suppose We have a whole Rite and ritual for marriages between Catholics and non-Christians. And of course, it likes if they celebrate their wedding at some point in a Catholic Church too.

I suppose that a non-Sikh trying to partake of Anand Karaj would be not that dissimilar from a non-baptized, non-Christian person walking into a Catholic Church and declaring that he has a right to a sacramental marriage and a Nuptial Mass without any understanding of the Catholic teaching on marriage nor a commitment to Jesus Christ?

Am I right? peacesign