Sikh at Queen's Jubilee

SaintSoldier1699 · #1 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 03:33 AM

Recent news about the Sikh who was invited to the Queen's Jubilee...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ide-Queen.html

I've been thinking about this and understand Mr Singh has a past for which he has spent 4 years in jail but does that give the media/public a right to condemn him for turning up as he was invited?
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Also, the incident happened in 1986, and since then he has done a number of years charity work which has been recognised? Yet the media only remember the criminal charges?

My question is what's the consensus amongst the members who's at fault? and should we condemn Mr Singh for turning up knowing he had a past?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 07:19 AM

My position is for a PUBLIC LIFE..one clearly has to be 110% Faultless....Cloroxed super WHITE !! Because in PUBLIC..you represent not only your own INDIVIDUAL SELF..BUT the ENTIRE KAUM....so your "black mark" affects many many hundreds of SIKHS who may indeed be 110% Super White BUT Now get PAINTED/TAINTED by your action.
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WE had 10 Gurus, over 30 Bhagats, Sheikhs, several Generals right up to Sikh Raaj....each and Everyone a SUPER WHITE....in fact Legends abound about Generals like Hari Singh Nalwa who so affected a beautiful Afghan Princess that she called him into her palace privately and told him..i want to produce a SON like YOU...and Hari Singh fell at her feet and said MOTHER..There can be ONLY One like ME..I am YOUR SON. There is no record of just how many thousands of beautiful damsles the Sikhs rescued form the invaders and sent them back safe and sound to their parents (and its fact that they were exceptionally beautiful simply because the invaders woudlnt bother to take captive unattractive girls/boys)..BUT not a single SIKH ever got a black mark even under those trying circumstances...MORAL HIGH GROUND is our Hall mark...and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stresses on THAT. Guru Gobind Singh ji has forbidden a Sikh to even DREAM of bedding someone whos not your legally wedded partner...so theres no question that sexual impropriety is FORBIDDEN in Sikhism and once a finger is raised...withdrawl is the best policy. Why go in Public and risk such issues being dragged out and the entire sikh nation is dragged thru the mud...I know its NOT FAIR..but then Lifes like that...most of the time...

A White bearded Fakir was once a neighbour of a Prostitute. She told him..Baba Ji..your ebard is so white..compared to my situation. The Fakir said..No Lady..my beard is NOT as white as you think...when its really white I will tell you. ON his DEATH BED, the Fakir called in his neighbour and declared..I have a few moments to live...NOW I can say with full confidence..MY BEARD is WHITE and I dare face my Creator with it.

Luckysingh · #3 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 11:01 AM

Someone has dragged this out, fair enough.
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I don't think that any royals would have known about this beforehand and besides they have judged him and invited him with regards to his charitable work.
I don't find it reasonable to judge him on his past.
I personally know that if someone were to judge me from 5-6 years ago then they would NOT get the true picture of me today.

I'm sure there would have been many more sikhs that were invited, but he seems to have got the spotlight. So, this would upset the other sikhs as they would regard him unsuitable to be representing the rest of the sikhs.

arshi · #4 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 13:49 PM

The distinct Sikh ID is a double-edged sword. ‘Singh was suddenly King’ when Manmohan Singh became a PM’ How proud we all felt. However, if he were to do something real daft, and were to fall out of grace, we will all face the brunt of the backlash. As it is Anna Hazare, arch rival of Congress policies, only yesterday, referred to Manmohan ji as “a noble soul” – thank Lord our izzat is still intact.

This double-edged ID is always at the back of my mind when I come across aggressive individuals – particularly those hostile towards Sikhs. If I lose my cool I will be seen as a Sikh and not as ‘AN Other’. Therefore, must we all act as good ambassadors of Sikhi? Perhaps yes if only for the sake of Sikhi.

In my younger days I would take no nonsense from anyone and even now, occasionally, my tolerance is tested but my wife always keeps an eye on me – bless her soul.

I have been working in the UK, sabat soorat since the late sixties. For the last 30 odd years I have lecturing in London Universities and colleges in UK and abroad. It was not easy in the sixties and seventies as any Sikh would tell you and, I stood even more because of my whiter-than-white dastar which I wore in my younger days – that was the Kenyan passion and trend. In all these years I have never felt any pressure to disrespect my hair – I know I have been lucky since the situation and pressure was even more pronounced for those working in factories or doing semi-skilled jobs – job discrimination was rife in those days. I remember, in 1972, going to the Job Office for my younger brother and a lady remarked ‘Oh you speak excellent English for an Indian’ and another quipped ‘isn’t his turban neat…..so white and clean…..soooo smart”. I kept quite for the sake of my brother’s potential job opportunity.
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As far as Mr Rana is concerned, it is a pity that they only see his past not the reformation and the good work he has done and is still doing for ASHT (Anglo Sikh Heritage Trail). I donated some funds to this organisation two years back because of my goodwill towards a hard working Sikh who does a lot of charitable work and whom I have known for 30 years. He mentioned invitations to their functions which included the opportunity to meet Royalty (Prince Charles), however, I did not take the opportunity. Until now I had no knowledge of Mr Rana’s background. This is bad publicity for him and ASHT. I, in all sincerity, feel sorry for him – poor man’s past has come to haunt him again…… taking all this into his account perhaps he should have tuned down the invitation.

Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 17:51 PM

<<<<, taking all this into his account perhaps he should have tuned down the invitation.<<
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My heart too goes out to a fellow Sikh...but yes i agree...he should have declined the invite to save us all the embarrassment..esp since some in the western/Indian Media re always looking for an excuse to vilify the Sikhs..on the slightest excuse..
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arshi · #6 (**permalink**) 08-Jun-2012, 18:37 PM

Yes absolutely Giani ji. Its a field day for the press especially the anti Sikh brigade. London City can be an uncomfortable place to be when we have such negative press - but then you keep your head down and carry on being a good ambassador.

Kanwaljit Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 02:06 AM

The question is even though we are worse than animals, don't we deserve a chance to live like humans?

Luckysingh · #8 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 06:47 AM

I'm sure that he would have declined if he knew that this story would erupt.
Going by past history and scandals, there are many important figures there including MPs that have hidden scandals and romps that have NOT yet surfaced to the public.
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It is certain that he would have thought exactly the same before accepting, but in his case he was unlucky in this sense as other figures with these hidden secrets stll didn't get exposed as yet!!

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 09-Jun-2012, 10:27 AM

The ONLY way he could have KNOWN..the story would erupt...would be via BLACKMAIL/THREATS to Stay Away or be EXPOSED !! Since he didnt report nay BM attempts...he really thought he got away with it..BUT he Forgot that His GURU has written..Nanak ORRAK SACH RAHEE..TRUTH ALWAYS OUT. He should have kept AWAY at all costs. Not worth the RISK.