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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 78862" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Sikh Names</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> Seriously. Let's look carefully at this shabad veer ji. The reason I don't post big long shabad's is because I'm posting big long articles. So I plainly post the page number so anyone can go and read the Gurbani which I think relates to the subject. If there are for example 21 tuks which are talking about japping Naam with each and every breath, I don't see why reading the entire pauri is needed to shed better light on something obvious. In the same manner, there are many sanskrit yogic terminology used in Gurbani. When I point these out, you disagree with the meanings, or the translation, or the interpretations. That's okay, but reading the entire pauri won't diminish the presence of the yogic references. I will try to offer what clarification I can and answer objections as I can. But fundamentally, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, only to share my own. The fun thing is, maybe some people will look at things in a different way.</p><p></p><p>You write:<em><span style="color: DarkRed"> "You are free to take the meaning of Yoga as you wish; however, Guru Nanak’s followers understand that they do not need it."</span></em></p><p></p><p>Are you implying I'm not a follower of Guru Nanak? That's a big conclusion.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"There is no such pouris, read carefully; it is not referred in advocacy of Yoga practice at all. Even the one that starts with" Asankh..." quoted by you."</span></em></p><p></p><p>Veer ji do you realize the major Jathas such as Damdami Taksal, Akhand Kirtani Jatha, Nirmala, Nihang, actually interpret the Gurbani in the way I'm interpreting it now? There's nothing new or radical in what I'm saying or pointing out. Just, it isn't well known is all. What I'm saying has nothing to do with Yogi Bhajan for example. </p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"Guru shabad doesn’t support Yoga of Yogi Bhajan and others practices of Yoga. None. Read it, reread it, Guru ji’s views are crystal clear. Gurmukh becomes real Yogi by not practicing Yoga but by listening to Guru. Remember conquering the mind, physical exercises wont conquer the mind."</span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: Navy">How can you read it any other way?</span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"You have read it otherwise, quite contrary to Guru ji message. I am sorry who can be lead to Yoga after reading it."</span></em></p><p></p><p>Where did I say anything about yoga of Yogi Bhajan? I don't know any yoga from Yogi Bhajan. I took amrit from Panj Piare from AKJ. I'm not sayihng anything about yoga of Yogi Bhajan. Why are you jumping to this extreme conclusion? Is that the only kind of yoga you know about? Do you think every form of yoga in the world automatically relates to Yogi Bhajan? I believe Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji was a brahmgyani. And while I may respect individual insights Yogi Bhajan had, I don't even consider him the same way. A lot more people than Yogi Bhajan talk about these things. If you even researched old school yoga, these terms and yogic descriptions found in Gurbani would be immediately clear. Now, I'm not saying anyone has to go and study yoga. But even a casual glance and it becomes obvious. Gurbani is based on a yogic tradition. Gursikhi is a yogic path. Can you explain what is meant by:</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਤੂੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਜ ਜੋਗੁ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">thoon gur prasaadh kar raaj jog ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">By Guru's Grace, practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 211</span></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਬਚਨਿ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">gur kai bachan keeno raaj jog ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Through the Guru's Word, I practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 239</span></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਹੋਦੈ ਬਹਿ ਰਾਜੁ ਆਪਿ ਟਿਕਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">sathiguroo parathakh hodhai behi raaj aap ttikaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The True Guru Himself sat up, and appointed the successor to the Throne of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of Meditation and Success. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਭਿ ਸਿਖ ਬੰਧਪ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੪॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">sabh sikh bandhhap puth bhaaee raamadhaas pairee paaeiaa ||4||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">All the Sikhs, relatives, children and siblings have fallen at the Feet of Guru Ram Das. ||4| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਅੰਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਲਿਆ ਮੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਕਰਿਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਣੁ ਜੀਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">anthae sathigur boliaa mai pishhai keerathan kariahu nirabaan jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">Finally, the True Guru said, ""When I am gone, sing Kirtan in Praise of the Lord, in Nirvaanaa.""</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 923</span></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਤਖਤੁ ਦੀਅਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">raaj jog thakhath dheean gur raamadhaas ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Guru Raam Daas was blessed with the Throne of Raja Yoga.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 1399</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>What I keep trying to explain is Guruji teaches His own yoga, we don't have to learn from someone else. We have a Living Satguru who is teaching us. But you can't wrench the Gurbani, the supportive vaaran, the Gurmat tradition of several Jathas out of context to deny the reality of Sikhism as a form of yogic practice. It's just not believable all this talk about yoga in Gurbani doesn't really mean yoga! What does it mean then? Why is it in Gurbani? </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਚਾਰੇ ਬੇਦ ਕਥਹਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">chaarae baedh kathhehi aakaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">The four Vedas speak only of the visible forms.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਤੀਨਿ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਕਹਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਨੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">theen avasathhaa kehehi vakhiaan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">They describe and explain the three states of mind, </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਤੁਰੀਆਵਸਥਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਜਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">thureeaavasathhaa sathigur thae har jaan ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru. ||1|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">~SGGS Ji p. 154</span></p><p></p><p>It means the Vedas can take you far but they can't take you all the way. This is a radically different meaning than to say the Vedas are meaningless.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਜੋਗ ਸਬਦੰ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਬਦੰ ਬੇਦ ਸਬਦੰ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣਹ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">jog sabadhan giaan sabadhan baedh sabadhan braahamaneh ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">The Way of Yoga is the Way of spiritual wisdom; the Vedas are the Way of the Brahmins.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 469</span></p><p></p><p>It means the way of Yoga doesn't belong to Hinduism or the Vedas. And it is the way of obtaining enlightenment. </p><p></p><p></p><p>What is the meaning of this vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji if Gursikhi is against yoga? </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਸੇਖਨਾਗ ਪਾਤੰਜਲ ਮਥਿਆ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਗਿ ਸੁਣਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">saykhanaag paatanjal madiaa guramukhi saasatr naagi sunaaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Gurmukh Patanjali the (supposed) incarnation of the Sesnaga, very thoughtfully recited, the Naga-Shastra, Yoga Shastra (Patanjal-Yogasutras). </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਵੇਦ ਅਥਰਵਣ ਬੋਲਿਆ ਜੋਗ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">vayd adaravan boliaa jog binaa nahi bharamu chukaaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">He told in consonance with Atharvaveda that illusion cannot be erased without yoga. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਜਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਮੈਲੀ ਆਰਸੀ ਸਿਕਲ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jiu kari mailee aarasee sikal binaa nahi mukhi dikhaaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">It is similar to the fact where we know that without cleansing of the mirror, the face cannot be seen in it. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਜੋਗੁ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਿਰਮਲਾ ਅਨਹਦ ਧੁਨਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jogu padaarad niramalaa anahad dhuni andari|iv|aaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Yoga is cleansing praxis through which the surati gets absorbed into the unstruck melody. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਅਸਟ ਦਸਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਨਉ ਨਿਧੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋਗੀ ਚਰਨ ਲਗਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">asat dasaa sidhi nau nidhee guramukhi jogee charan|agaaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Eighteen siddhis and nine treasures fall at the feet of a gurmukh yogi. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜੁਗਾਂ ਕੀ ਬਾਸਨਾ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਾਤੰਜਲਿ ਪਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">trihu jugaan kee baasanaa kalijug vichi paatanjali paaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">In kaliyug, Patanjali talked about fulfillment of desires that remained unfulfilled in the three ages. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਹਥੋ ਹਥੀ ਪਾਈਐ ਭਗਤਿ ਜੋਗ ਕੀ ਪੂਰ ਕਮਾਈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">hado hadee paaeeai bhagati jog kee poor kamaaee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The complete achievement of yogic bhakti is that you every thing hand to hand. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਨਾਮ ਦਾਨੁ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਸੁਭਾਈ ॥੧੪॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">naam daanu isanaanu subhaaee ॥14॥</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The jiv should cultivate the nature of rememberance of God, charity and ablution (internal and external).</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Vaar 1 Pauri 14 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, let's go over the shabad you posted which you think is so objectionable to yoga in general, since yoga specifically means a method of union with God, and is thus a spiritual practice by definition.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੭ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">soohee mehalaa 1 ghar 7</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Soohee, First Mehl, Seventh House: </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ik oankaar sathigur prasaadh ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਖਿੰਥਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਡੰਡੈ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਭਸਮ ਚੜਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jog n khinthhaa jog n ddanddai jog n bhasam charraaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Yoga is not the patched coat, Yoga is not the walking stick. Yoga is not smearing the body with ashes. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਮੁੰਦੀ ਮੂੰਡਿ ਮੁਡਾਇਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jog n mundhee moondd muddaaeiai jog n sinn(g)ee vaaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Yoga is not the ear-rings, and not the shaven head. Yoga is not the blowing of the horn. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੧॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||1||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||1|| </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਗਲੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">galee jog n hoee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">By mere words, Yoga is not attained. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee ||1|| rehaao ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">One who looks upon all with a single eye, and knows them to be one and the same - he alone is known as a Yogi. ||1||Pause|| </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jog n baahar marree masaanee jog n thaarree laaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Yoga is not wandering to the tombs of the dead; Yoga is not sitting in trances. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਦੇਸਿ ਦਿਸੰਤਰਿ ਭਵਿਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jog n dhaes dhisanthar bhaviai jog n theerathh naaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Yoga is not wandering through foreign lands; Yoga is not bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||2||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2|| </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤੂਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sathigur bhaettai thaa sehasaa thoottai dhhaavath varaj rehaaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਨਿਝਰੁ ਝਰੈ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">nijhar jharai sehaj dhhun laagai ghar hee parachaa paaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Nectar rains down, celestial music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੩॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||3||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||3|| </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਮਰਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">naanak jeevathiaa mar reheeai aisaa jog kamaaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">O Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਵਾਜੇ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਜੈ ਤਉ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">vaajae baajhahu sinn(g)ee vaajai tho nirabho padh paaeeai ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">When the horn is blown without being blown, then you shall attain the state of fearless dignity.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਤਉ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੪॥੧॥੮॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath tho paaeeai ||4||1||8||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||4||1||8||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 730</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p><p></span></p><p></p><p>The Gurbani is clearly saying Real spiritual yoga is not the outer appearance of wearing patched coat, earrings, shaven head, smearing with ashes, etc. Real yoga is remaining unblemished in the filth of the world. Real yoga is not mere words or pretense but attaining the single eye (sixth level third eye Ajna chakra which enables intuitive spiritual perception of samaadhi, oneness of the God pervading all beings which the ordinary mind cannot grasp because of duality.)</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><p style="margin-left: 20px">There is a scripture in Christian Bible which states: "“If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.” - Matthew 6:22</p><p></span></p><p>This scripture is often cited by yogis (I learned it from studying Paramahansa Yogananda decades ago when I was a child) to illustrate that kateb also teaches a form of yoga. This is really old and basic stuff. No one can have undivided attentiveness, single-mindedness, or a single eye in a natural unenlightened state.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">"Eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee."</span></p><p></p><p>Nothing in this entire shabad says there is no yoga, or that no one needs yoga as you are saying. The shabad clearly illustrates what is needed for there to be real yoga (union with God) and that is basically sincere practice, not just words or playing the role.</p><p></p><p>Now there are many hidden (I guess if unfamiliar with yogic terminology) yogic references in this shabad. I will try and point them out with explanation to the best of my ability.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">1. ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee ||1|| rehaao ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">One who looks upon all with a single eye, and knows them to be one and the same - he alone is known as a Yogi. ||1||Pause||</span></p><p></p><p>Refers to a transcendent state of consciousness where you are perceiving the Oneness without duality. This is attained by opening the 6th chakra and stimulating the pineal gland to obtain a whole new brain chemistry and expand into opening dasam duar at level of 7th Sahasrara crown chakra, unfolding the thousand petalled lotus of God-consciousness.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">2. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2|| </span></p><p></p><p>Refers to sincerity and inner purification, not outer purification practices as what will lead to true yoga (union with God). This relates to intention, that a real jogee isn't acting holy to be appreciated as a saddhu by people but is serious about doing the spiritual work to cleanse the impurities and blemishes that obstruct spiritual development.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">3. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤੂਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">sathigur bhaettai thaa sehasaa thoottai dhhaavath varaj rehaaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. </span></p><p></p><p>No one can succeed in any kind of spiritual path without a Guru. Only with a God-realized Satguru can the seeker reach God-consciousness. This too is an ancient Indic tradition with roots in the Vedas and Yoga sutras.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">4. ਨਿਝਰੁ ਝਰੈ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">nijhar jharai sehaj dhhun laagai ghar hee parachaa paaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Nectar rains down, celestial music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. </span></p><p></p><p>These translations really aren't exact but they do approximate. Veer ji, this relates to the praan opening the sixth and seventh chakras. The nectar trickles into the mouth from the pineal gland. As one is developing spiritually and the dasam duar is opening, the yogis listen for 5 sounds. After this, they hear the unstruck sound, anehad shabad. True wisdom is obtained by withdrawing the life current from the outer senses to the inner. This is giving the secret to true yoga here. Without this, there is no true wisdom. These are all very well known metaphysical descriptions of enlightenment.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">5. ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਮਰਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">naanak jeevathiaa mar reheeai aisaa jog kamaaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">O Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga.</span></p><p></p><p>Compare this with what was written earlier:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jog n baahar marree masaanee jog n thaarree laaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Yoga is not wandering to the tombs of the dead; Yoga is not sitting in trances. </span></p><p></p><p></p><p>This refers to the praan withdrawn from the sensual sansaaric realm, the nine holes sealed to open the inner door of God-perception. And not being caught on some tantric superficial level of riddhia siddhia. Real yogic practice is not tantra or contacting lower astral spirits but activating your own God-realization.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">6. ਵਾਜੇ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਜੈ ਤਉ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">vaajae baajhahu sinn(g)ee vaajai tho nirabho padh paaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">When the horn is blown without being blown, then you shall attain the state of fearless dignity.</span></p><p></p><p>contrast this with what was said earlier:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਮੁੰਦੀ ਮੂੰਡਿ ਮੁਡਾਇਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਈਐ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jog n mundhee moondd muddaaeiai jog n sinn(g)ee vaaeeai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Yoga is not the ear-rings, and not the shaven head. Yoga is not the blowing of the horn. </span></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is refering to spiritual development of real God-perception and not just the outer appearance of reaching God (practicing yoga). This is like the Radhasoamis who put their fingers in their ears to make ringing sounds and call it the anehad shabad. Guruji is teaching the correct and real yoga which is about opening the dasam duar to perceive sounds which don't exist in physical dimension and surpass even these to reach the anehad shabad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, now you tell me how this shabad is saying what you claim:</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"You have read it otherwise, quite contrary to Guru ji message. I am sorry who can be lead to Yoga after reading it."</span></em></p><p></p><p>It isn't specifically talking about true yoga in this shabad? It isn't saying "yoga is not...yoga is not"..."But yoga is...yoga is"..."so become a Yogi!" (united with God). Maybe we are not reading the same shabad. So it is talking about yoga, but it's not about yoga. Explain please how this yoga referred to in Gurbani is contrary to Guruji's message...if that's Guruji's message. Guruji is the way, He is the spiritual Master, it is His path of yogic enlightenment leading to the God. Explain how I ever said Gurbani leads a person to someone like Yogi Bhajan who I don't even have association with? Is this what you're thinking?</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"Why it is necessary to call Nam simran a kind of Yoga, why this path does need help from Yoga? Why these chakras etc to understand. Reason is very simple, people also known Sikhs practiced Yoga of special kind and influenced people; some find this technique very useful to attract people. Who listens if it is simply said, “leave every thing to HIS will and live in HIS love”. A few will even listen to it. People are prone to be influenced with extra ordinary things. In Sidh Ghost, Guru ji flatly says he doesn’t have any miracle but NAAM."</span></em></p><p></p><p>First the notion that Guruji had no miracles is British. The janam sakis are full of miracle stories. But aside from the point, we know Guruji could work any miracle. It was not His purpose to come into the world with diversions but with deliverance. The Naam is a miracle so great it brought the nirgun into the sansaara. The Naam is so powerful all the other yogas are failing to accomplish what it can accomplish. Nowhere in Gurbani does it say "leave everything to His will." As if we passively do nothing and God does everything. It says get up early and do isnaan and jap Naam. It says go to the sadhsangat and sing the kirtan of the Lord's praise. It says conquer your panj vikaars. It says meditate and remember the name of God with every breath and morsel of food. And we are instructed per hukam of Panj Piare and Akal Takht that it's important to receive amrit and keep rehit maryada. What I'm saying is, all those practices put together are Guruji's yoga, way of union with God. This path doesn't need help from yoga. Yoga needs help from this path. Because this path is true and real yoga.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For some clarity on the 5 yogic sounds this is what Kulbir Singh Ji from Tapoban forum has explained:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 78862, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Sikh Names[/b] :confused: Seriously. Let's look carefully at this shabad veer ji. The reason I don't post big long shabad's is because I'm posting big long articles. So I plainly post the page number so anyone can go and read the Gurbani which I think relates to the subject. If there are for example 21 tuks which are talking about japping Naam with each and every breath, I don't see why reading the entire pauri is needed to shed better light on something obvious. In the same manner, there are many sanskrit yogic terminology used in Gurbani. When I point these out, you disagree with the meanings, or the translation, or the interpretations. That's okay, but reading the entire pauri won't diminish the presence of the yogic references. I will try to offer what clarification I can and answer objections as I can. But fundamentally, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, only to share my own. The fun thing is, maybe some people will look at things in a different way. You write:[I][COLOR="DarkRed"] "You are free to take the meaning of Yoga as you wish; however, Guru Nanak’s followers understand that they do not need it."[/COLOR][/I] Are you implying I'm not a follower of Guru Nanak? That's a big conclusion. [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"There is no such pouris, read carefully; it is not referred in advocacy of Yoga practice at all. Even the one that starts with" Asankh..." quoted by you."[/COLOR][/I] Veer ji do you realize the major Jathas such as Damdami Taksal, Akhand Kirtani Jatha, Nirmala, Nihang, actually interpret the Gurbani in the way I'm interpreting it now? There's nothing new or radical in what I'm saying or pointing out. Just, it isn't well known is all. What I'm saying has nothing to do with Yogi Bhajan for example. [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"Guru shabad doesn’t support Yoga of Yogi Bhajan and others practices of Yoga. None. Read it, reread it, Guru ji’s views are crystal clear. Gurmukh becomes real Yogi by not practicing Yoga but by listening to Guru. Remember conquering the mind, physical exercises wont conquer the mind."[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR="Navy"]How can you read it any other way?[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"You have read it otherwise, quite contrary to Guru ji message. I am sorry who can be lead to Yoga after reading it."[/COLOR][/I] Where did I say anything about yoga of Yogi Bhajan? I don't know any yoga from Yogi Bhajan. I took amrit from Panj Piare from AKJ. I'm not sayihng anything about yoga of Yogi Bhajan. Why are you jumping to this extreme conclusion? Is that the only kind of yoga you know about? Do you think every form of yoga in the world automatically relates to Yogi Bhajan? I believe Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji was a brahmgyani. And while I may respect individual insights Yogi Bhajan had, I don't even consider him the same way. A lot more people than Yogi Bhajan talk about these things. If you even researched old school yoga, these terms and yogic descriptions found in Gurbani would be immediately clear. Now, I'm not saying anyone has to go and study yoga. But even a casual glance and it becomes obvious. Gurbani is based on a yogic tradition. Gursikhi is a yogic path. Can you explain what is meant by: [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਤੂੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਜ ਜੋਗੁ ॥੧॥ thoon gur prasaadh kar raaj jog ||1|| By Guru's Grace, practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||1|| ~SGGS Ji p. 211[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਬਚਨਿ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ॥ gur kai bachan keeno raaj jog || Through the Guru's Word, I practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ~SGGS Ji p. 239[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਹੋਦੈ ਬਹਿ ਰਾਜੁ ਆਪਿ ਟਿਕਾਇਆ ॥ sathiguroo parathakh hodhai behi raaj aap ttikaaeiaa || The True Guru Himself sat up, and appointed the successor to the Throne of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of Meditation and Success. ਸਭਿ ਸਿਖ ਬੰਧਪ ਪੁਤ ਭਾਈ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਪੈਰੀ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੪॥ sabh sikh bandhhap puth bhaaee raamadhaas pairee paaeiaa ||4|| All the Sikhs, relatives, children and siblings have fallen at the Feet of Guru Ram Das. ||4| ਅੰਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਲਿਆ ਮੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਕਰਿਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਬਾਣੁ ਜੀਉ ॥ anthae sathigur boliaa mai pishhai keerathan kariahu nirabaan jeeo || Finally, the True Guru said, ""When I am gone, sing Kirtan in Praise of the Lord, in Nirvaanaa."" ~SGGS Ji p. 923[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਰਾਜੁ ਜੋਗੁ ਤਖਤੁ ਦੀਅਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ॥ raaj jog thakhath dheean gur raamadhaas || Guru Raam Daas was blessed with the Throne of Raja Yoga. ~SGGS Ji p. 1399[/COLOR][/INDENT] What I keep trying to explain is Guruji teaches His own yoga, we don't have to learn from someone else. We have a Living Satguru who is teaching us. But you can't wrench the Gurbani, the supportive vaaran, the Gurmat tradition of several Jathas out of context to deny the reality of Sikhism as a form of yogic practice. It's just not believable all this talk about yoga in Gurbani doesn't really mean yoga! What does it mean then? Why is it in Gurbani? [INDENT][COLOR="DarkRed"]ਚਾਰੇ ਬੇਦ ਕਥਹਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ॥ chaarae baedh kathhehi aakaar || The four Vedas speak only of the visible forms. ਤੀਨਿ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਕਹਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਨੁ ॥ theen avasathhaa kehehi vakhiaan || They describe and explain the three states of mind, ਤੁਰੀਆਵਸਥਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਜਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ thureeaavasathhaa sathigur thae har jaan ||1|| but the fourth state, union with the Lord, is known only through the True Guru. ||1| ~SGGS Ji p. 154[/COLOR][/INDENT] It means the Vedas can take you far but they can't take you all the way. This is a radically different meaning than to say the Vedas are meaningless. [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਜੋਗ ਸਬਦੰ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਬਦੰ ਬੇਦ ਸਬਦੰ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣਹ ॥ jog sabadhan giaan sabadhan baedh sabadhan braahamaneh || The Way of Yoga is the Way of spiritual wisdom; the Vedas are the Way of the Brahmins. ~SGGS Ji p. 469[/COLOR][/INDENT] It means the way of Yoga doesn't belong to Hinduism or the Vedas. And it is the way of obtaining enlightenment. What is the meaning of this vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji if Gursikhi is against yoga? [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਸੇਖਨਾਗ ਪਾਤੰਜਲ ਮਥਿਆ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਗਿ ਸੁਣਾਈ । saykhanaag paatanjal madiaa guramukhi saasatr naagi sunaaee| Gurmukh Patanjali the (supposed) incarnation of the Sesnaga, very thoughtfully recited, the Naga-Shastra, Yoga Shastra (Patanjal-Yogasutras). ਵੇਦ ਅਥਰਵਣ ਬੋਲਿਆ ਜੋਗ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਚੁਕਾਈ । vayd adaravan boliaa jog binaa nahi bharamu chukaaee| He told in consonance with Atharvaveda that illusion cannot be erased without yoga. ਜਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਮੈਲੀ ਆਰਸੀ ਸਿਕਲ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਦਿਖਾਈ । jiu kari mailee aarasee sikal binaa nahi mukhi dikhaaee| It is similar to the fact where we know that without cleansing of the mirror, the face cannot be seen in it. ਜੋਗੁ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਿਰਮਲਾ ਅਨਹਦ ਧੁਨਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ । jogu padaarad niramalaa anahad dhuni andari|iv|aaee| Yoga is cleansing praxis through which the surati gets absorbed into the unstruck melody. ਅਸਟ ਦਸਾ ਸਿਧਿ ਨਉ ਨਿਧੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋਗੀ ਚਰਨ ਲਗਾਈ । asat dasaa sidhi nau nidhee guramukhi jogee charan|agaaee| Eighteen siddhis and nine treasures fall at the feet of a gurmukh yogi. ਤ੍ਰਿਹੁ ਜੁਗਾਂ ਕੀ ਬਾਸਨਾ ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਾਤੰਜਲਿ ਪਾਈ । trihu jugaan kee baasanaa kalijug vichi paatanjali paaee| In kaliyug, Patanjali talked about fulfillment of desires that remained unfulfilled in the three ages. ਹਥੋ ਹਥੀ ਪਾਈਐ ਭਗਤਿ ਜੋਗ ਕੀ ਪੂਰ ਕਮਾਈ । hado hadee paaeeai bhagati jog kee poor kamaaee| The complete achievement of yogic bhakti is that you every thing hand to hand. ਨਾਮ ਦਾਨੁ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਸੁਭਾਈ ॥੧੪॥ naam daanu isanaanu subhaaee ॥14॥ The jiv should cultivate the nature of rememberance of God, charity and ablution (internal and external). Vaar 1 Pauri 14 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji [/COLOR][/INDENT] Okay, let's go over the shabad you posted which you think is so objectionable to yoga in general, since yoga specifically means a method of union with God, and is thus a spiritual practice by definition. [COLOR="Navy"][INDENT]ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੭ soohee mehalaa 1 ghar 7 Soohee, First Mehl, Seventh House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ik oankaar sathigur prasaadh || One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਖਿੰਥਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਡੰਡੈ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਭਸਮ ਚੜਾਈਐ ॥ jog n khinthhaa jog n ddanddai jog n bhasam charraaeeai || Yoga is not the patched coat, Yoga is not the walking stick. Yoga is not smearing the body with ashes. ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਮੁੰਦੀ ਮੂੰਡਿ ਮੁਡਾਇਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਈਐ ॥ jog n mundhee moondd muddaaeiai jog n sinn(g)ee vaaeeai || Yoga is not the ear-rings, and not the shaven head. Yoga is not the blowing of the horn. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੧॥ anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||1|| Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||1|| ਗਲੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ॥ galee jog n hoee || By mere words, Yoga is not attained. ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee ||1|| rehaao || One who looks upon all with a single eye, and knows them to be one and the same - he alone is known as a Yogi. ||1||Pause|| ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ jog n baahar marree masaanee jog n thaarree laaeeai || Yoga is not wandering to the tombs of the dead; Yoga is not sitting in trances. ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਦੇਸਿ ਦਿਸੰਤਰਿ ਭਵਿਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਈਐ ॥ jog n dhaes dhisanthar bhaviai jog n theerathh naaeeai || Yoga is not wandering through foreign lands; Yoga is not bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||2|| Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2|| ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤੂਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥ sathigur bhaettai thaa sehasaa thoottai dhhaavath varaj rehaaeeai || Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. ਨਿਝਰੁ ਝਰੈ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ nijhar jharai sehaj dhhun laagai ghar hee parachaa paaeeai || Nectar rains down, celestial music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੩॥ anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||3|| Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||3|| ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਮਰਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ naanak jeevathiaa mar reheeai aisaa jog kamaaeeai || O Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga. ਵਾਜੇ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਜੈ ਤਉ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ vaajae baajhahu sinn(g)ee vaajai tho nirabho padh paaeeai || When the horn is blown without being blown, then you shall attain the state of fearless dignity. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਤਉ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੪॥੧॥੮॥ anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath tho paaeeai ||4||1||8|| Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||4||1||8|| ~SGGS Ji p. 730 [/INDENT][/COLOR] The Gurbani is clearly saying Real spiritual yoga is not the outer appearance of wearing patched coat, earrings, shaven head, smearing with ashes, etc. Real yoga is remaining unblemished in the filth of the world. Real yoga is not mere words or pretense but attaining the single eye (sixth level third eye Ajna chakra which enables intuitive spiritual perception of samaadhi, oneness of the God pervading all beings which the ordinary mind cannot grasp because of duality.) [COLOR="Blue"][INDENT]There is a scripture in Christian Bible which states: "“If thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.” - Matthew 6:22[/INDENT][/COLOR] This scripture is often cited by yogis (I learned it from studying Paramahansa Yogananda decades ago when I was a child) to illustrate that kateb also teaches a form of yoga. This is really old and basic stuff. No one can have undivided attentiveness, single-mindedness, or a single eye in a natural unenlightened state. [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]"Eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee."[/COLOR][/INDENT] Nothing in this entire shabad says there is no yoga, or that no one needs yoga as you are saying. The shabad clearly illustrates what is needed for there to be real yoga (union with God) and that is basically sincere practice, not just words or playing the role. Now there are many hidden (I guess if unfamiliar with yogic terminology) yogic references in this shabad. I will try and point them out with explanation to the best of my ability. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]1. ਏਕ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮਸਰਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ eaek dhrisatt kar samasar jaanai jogee keheeai soee ||1|| rehaao || One who looks upon all with a single eye, and knows them to be one and the same - he alone is known as a Yogi. ||1||Pause||[/COLOR][/INDENT] Refers to a transcendent state of consciousness where you are perceiving the Oneness without duality. This is attained by opening the 6th chakra and stimulating the pineal gland to obtain a whole new brain chemistry and expand into opening dasam duar at level of 7th Sahasrara crown chakra, unfolding the thousand petalled lotus of God-consciousness. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]2. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥ anjan maahi niranjan reheeai jog jugath eiv paaeeai ||2|| Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2|| [/COLOR][/INDENT] Refers to sincerity and inner purification, not outer purification practices as what will lead to true yoga (union with God). This relates to intention, that a real jogee isn't acting holy to be appreciated as a saddhu by people but is serious about doing the spiritual work to cleanse the impurities and blemishes that obstruct spiritual development. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]3. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਭੇਟੈ ਤਾ ਸਹਸਾ ਤੂਟੈ ਧਾਵਤੁ ਵਰਜਿ ਰਹਾਈਐ ॥ sathigur bhaettai thaa sehasaa thoottai dhhaavath varaj rehaaeeai || Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. [/COLOR][/INDENT] No one can succeed in any kind of spiritual path without a Guru. Only with a God-realized Satguru can the seeker reach God-consciousness. This too is an ancient Indic tradition with roots in the Vedas and Yoga sutras. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]4. ਨਿਝਰੁ ਝਰੈ ਸਹਜ ਧੁਨਿ ਲਾਗੈ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ nijhar jharai sehaj dhhun laagai ghar hee parachaa paaeeai || Nectar rains down, celestial music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. [/COLOR][/INDENT] These translations really aren't exact but they do approximate. Veer ji, this relates to the praan opening the sixth and seventh chakras. The nectar trickles into the mouth from the pineal gland. As one is developing spiritually and the dasam duar is opening, the yogis listen for 5 sounds. After this, they hear the unstruck sound, anehad shabad. True wisdom is obtained by withdrawing the life current from the outer senses to the inner. This is giving the secret to true yoga here. Without this, there is no true wisdom. These are all very well known metaphysical descriptions of enlightenment. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]5. ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਵਤਿਆ ਮਰਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ॥ naanak jeevathiaa mar reheeai aisaa jog kamaaeeai || O Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga.[/COLOR][/INDENT] Compare this with what was written earlier: [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੜੀ ਮਸਾਣੀ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਤਾੜੀ ਲਾਈਐ ॥ jog n baahar marree masaanee jog n thaarree laaeeai || Yoga is not wandering to the tombs of the dead; Yoga is not sitting in trances. [/COLOR][/INDENT] This refers to the praan withdrawn from the sensual sansaaric realm, the nine holes sealed to open the inner door of God-perception. And not being caught on some tantric superficial level of riddhia siddhia. Real yogic practice is not tantra or contacting lower astral spirits but activating your own God-realization. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]6. ਵਾਜੇ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਜੈ ਤਉ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ vaajae baajhahu sinn(g)ee vaajai tho nirabho padh paaeeai || When the horn is blown without being blown, then you shall attain the state of fearless dignity.[/COLOR][/INDENT] contrast this with what was said earlier: [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਮੁੰਦੀ ਮੂੰਡਿ ਮੁਡਾਇਐ ਜੋਗੁ ਨ ਸਿੰਙੀ ਵਾਈਐ ॥ jog n mundhee moondd muddaaeiai jog n sinn(g)ee vaaeeai || Yoga is not the ear-rings, and not the shaven head. Yoga is not the blowing of the horn. [/COLOR][/INDENT] It is refering to spiritual development of real God-perception and not just the outer appearance of reaching God (practicing yoga). This is like the Radhasoamis who put their fingers in their ears to make ringing sounds and call it the anehad shabad. Guruji is teaching the correct and real yoga which is about opening the dasam duar to perceive sounds which don't exist in physical dimension and surpass even these to reach the anehad shabad. Okay, now you tell me how this shabad is saying what you claim: [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"You have read it otherwise, quite contrary to Guru ji message. I am sorry who can be lead to Yoga after reading it."[/COLOR][/I] It isn't specifically talking about true yoga in this shabad? It isn't saying "yoga is not...yoga is not"..."But yoga is...yoga is"..."so become a Yogi!" (united with God). Maybe we are not reading the same shabad. So it is talking about yoga, but it's not about yoga. Explain please how this yoga referred to in Gurbani is contrary to Guruji's message...if that's Guruji's message. Guruji is the way, He is the spiritual Master, it is His path of yogic enlightenment leading to the God. Explain how I ever said Gurbani leads a person to someone like Yogi Bhajan who I don't even have association with? Is this what you're thinking? [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"Why it is necessary to call Nam simran a kind of Yoga, why this path does need help from Yoga? Why these chakras etc to understand. Reason is very simple, people also known Sikhs practiced Yoga of special kind and influenced people; some find this technique very useful to attract people. Who listens if it is simply said, “leave every thing to HIS will and live in HIS love”. A few will even listen to it. People are prone to be influenced with extra ordinary things. In Sidh Ghost, Guru ji flatly says he doesn’t have any miracle but NAAM."[/COLOR][/I] First the notion that Guruji had no miracles is British. The janam sakis are full of miracle stories. But aside from the point, we know Guruji could work any miracle. It was not His purpose to come into the world with diversions but with deliverance. The Naam is a miracle so great it brought the nirgun into the sansaara. The Naam is so powerful all the other yogas are failing to accomplish what it can accomplish. Nowhere in Gurbani does it say "leave everything to His will." As if we passively do nothing and God does everything. It says get up early and do isnaan and jap Naam. It says go to the sadhsangat and sing the kirtan of the Lord's praise. It says conquer your panj vikaars. It says meditate and remember the name of God with every breath and morsel of food. And we are instructed per hukam of Panj Piare and Akal Takht that it's important to receive amrit and keep rehit maryada. What I'm saying is, all those practices put together are Guruji's yoga, way of union with God. This path doesn't need help from yoga. Yoga needs help from this path. Because this path is true and real yoga. For some clarity on the 5 yogic sounds this is what Kulbir Singh Ji from Tapoban forum has explained: ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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