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Word By Word Translation Of Triya Charitars 21, 22, 23 And 71
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 49713" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Wrod by word translation of Triya Charitars 21,22,23 and 71</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Few questions.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.Did lord want to learn the spell?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Mantra may mean plan and due to that discussion in mantran,deciosn is matta and advisor in mantri.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sikh Guru went to many sites say in the assembly of kaliyuga panda.Did they go there to ask for details of three times as panda claimed?No but to expose the wrong things.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Same could be said to going to haridwar,jaggannath etc.So if spell is beheld then lord’s going could to expose the falsehood of spell.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When in line 14 we see Lord say I came to have spell and something else has happened then we may understand that, he wanted to have/obtain/own spell,that means that he wanted to overcome the same and to expose it implied but new situation arose).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.Did lord removed cloaths anywhere in story?</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No where it is written but while running and there after beating some one,chapple type loose footwears where not handy nor was blanket,which was taken to change attire.So they were left before running etc was to be started.g</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Likewise sitting on bed and having good claoths are to do with lady and not the lord.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Why did Lord changed his attire? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Tenth Master use to move in his Area in other form to gain intelligence like he did with Bhai Nand Lal’s langer arrangement settings.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is possible that lord in the story wanted to fool magan,who was actual person,who talked about spell.And if spell is to be taken as plan then,such things are never made public.Be it Arthshastra or be it bible,plans are with higher ups till date.If ads is not mistaken it is perhaps charitra 402 where plan is termed as mantra.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3.Did lord do adultray?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No but gave a full discourse against that but lustfull lady did not concede.She might have asked lord to have sex with her on name of his God.Lord saw that discourse are not effective to the lady,so he tried to pester her.She threatned to kill him or defame him.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">For a preacher character assignation means a great hindrance to mission.(presently same has been done to Kala Afghana sahib) ,then lord did not want to kill the lady as this could have defamed him.Best way was to run.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Das will put a verse from ninth master about tactical retreat from evil. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">4.If at all anywhere prostitute is been told about?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No lady is wife of a wealthy?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">5.Did name Anup Kaur ever mentioned anywhere?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No but term noop ku-ari is mentioned.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Sanskrit we have term kumari with slang of ku-ari.We have Ad-ku –ari pronuced as Ad Kwari near Vaishnau devi.Kumar or kumar may be refered to Raj Kumar or Raj Kumari ie son or doughter of king/ruler/state.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So initial meaning of kumar or kumari is son or douoghter. Kaur in Sikhs should be more to do with doudgter of Guru.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Noop is the name,which gives an impression of anoop.If we break the word of noop,instance of which das otherwise does not see,then this nu means faction and p is for being owner.Doughter who owns only fraction can be meaning of noop ku-ari.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To make kaur we need to have a and and au and not u and a as former sounds au of kaur after sandhi(clubbing of words) and latter as Wa of Kawari.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Noob is term refer to misri or crystal suger both in kashmiri and farsi.Ba can replace pa but such thing is done in arebic as there we do not have pai so bai is used.So there is a remote possibility of that.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">6.Was Anup Kaur as real figure?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes,she was kidnapped by Pathans of Maler Kotla,not agreeing to their overtures she was killed and buried.When Banda attacked Maler kotla he did dug her grave to retrive her remains for funeral.(das read this from a book about Banda,but thinks that if Niuhngs are ture then Banda also opened grave of others also but defender of Bandas say that he opened grave of Anup Kaur Only).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">7.Was she the same as noop kuwari?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Can be as this chaerctor at last is been</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Indoctrined to be good.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">7a.Do we have such examples of reform in Gurmat?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">i.</span> <span style="font-size: 12px">Dancers send by King Shivnabh of sri lanka to seduce firt master were deemed as doughter by him.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ii.</span> <span style="font-size: 12px">Sajjan thug,Kauda bheel,Malik Bhagu all were reformed.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">iii.</span> <span style="font-size: 12px">Bhai bidhi chand was a dacoit before conversion.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">iv.</span> <span style="font-size: 12px">All stories are cooked up as we are purists of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,so what did that greatest of book say?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Iva. Ganika or prostitute is said to have got salvation with name of God.From old mythology,it is only a symbol that Gurmat can reform all irrespective of race or profession.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Ivb. Sarang Mahala Panjavan Surdas comes after a line of Surdas,in which it issaid that wrong people can not be reformed.Gurmat edits that line and engrose reforming.</span></span></p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 49713, member: 313"] [b]Re: Wrod by word translation of Triya Charitars 21,22,23 and 71[/b] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Few questions.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]1.Did lord want to learn the spell?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Mantra may mean plan and due to that discussion in mantran,deciosn is matta and advisor in mantri.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Sikh Guru went to many sites say in the assembly of kaliyuga panda.Did they go there to ask for details of three times as panda claimed?No but to expose the wrong things.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Same could be said to going to haridwar,jaggannath etc.So if spell is beheld then lord’s going could to expose the falsehood of spell.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When in line 14 we see Lord say I came to have spell and something else has happened then we may understand that, he wanted to have/obtain/own spell,that means that he wanted to overcome the same and to expose it implied but new situation arose).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]2.Did lord removed cloaths anywhere in story?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]No where it is written but while running and there after beating some one,chapple type loose footwears where not handy nor was blanket,which was taken to change attire.So they were left before running etc was to be started.g[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Likewise sitting on bed and having good claoths are to do with lady and not the lord.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Why did Lord changed his attire? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Tenth Master use to move in his Area in other form to gain intelligence like he did with Bhai Nand Lal’s langer arrangement settings.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It is possible that lord in the story wanted to fool magan,who was actual person,who talked about spell.And if spell is to be taken as plan then,such things are never made public.Be it Arthshastra or be it bible,plans are with higher ups till date.If ads is not mistaken it is perhaps charitra 402 where plan is termed as mantra.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]3.Did lord do adultray?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]No but gave a full discourse against that but lustfull lady did not concede.She might have asked lord to have sex with her on name of his God.Lord saw that discourse are not effective to the lady,so he tried to pester her.She threatned to kill him or defame him.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]For a preacher character assignation means a great hindrance to mission.(presently same has been done to Kala Afghana sahib) ,then lord did not want to kill the lady as this could have defamed him.Best way was to run.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Das will put a verse from ninth master about tactical retreat from evil. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]4.If at all anywhere prostitute is been told about?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]No lady is wife of a wealthy?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]5.Did name Anup Kaur ever mentioned anywhere?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]No but term noop ku-ari is mentioned.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In Sanskrit we have term kumari with slang of ku-ari.We have Ad-ku –ari pronuced as Ad Kwari near Vaishnau devi.Kumar or kumar may be refered to Raj Kumar or Raj Kumari ie son or doughter of king/ruler/state.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So initial meaning of kumar or kumari is son or douoghter. Kaur in Sikhs should be more to do with doudgter of Guru.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Noop is the name,which gives an impression of anoop.If we break the word of noop,instance of which das otherwise does not see,then this nu means faction and p is for being owner.Doughter who owns only fraction can be meaning of noop ku-ari.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]To make kaur we need to have a and and au and not u and a as former sounds au of kaur after sandhi(clubbing of words) and latter as Wa of Kawari.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Noob is term refer to misri or crystal suger both in kashmiri and farsi.Ba can replace pa but such thing is done in arebic as there we do not have pai so bai is used.So there is a remote possibility of that.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]6.Was Anup Kaur as real figure?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Yes,she was kidnapped by Pathans of Maler Kotla,not agreeing to their overtures she was killed and buried.When Banda attacked Maler kotla he did dug her grave to retrive her remains for funeral.(das read this from a book about Banda,but thinks that if Niuhngs are ture then Banda also opened grave of others also but defender of Bandas say that he opened grave of Anup Kaur Only).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]7.Was she the same as noop kuwari?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Can be as this chaerctor at last is been[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] Indoctrined to be good.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]7a.Do we have such examples of reform in Gurmat?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]i.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Dancers send by King Shivnabh of sri lanka to seduce firt master were deemed as doughter by him.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]ii.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Sajjan thug,Kauda bheel,Malik Bhagu all were reformed.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]iii.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Bhai bidhi chand was a dacoit before conversion.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]iv.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]All stories are cooked up as we are purists of Guru Granth Sahib Ji,so what did that greatest of book say?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Iva. Ganika or prostitute is said to have got salvation with name of God.From old mythology,it is only a symbol that Gurmat can reform all irrespective of race or profession.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Ivb. Sarang Mahala Panjavan Surdas comes after a line of Surdas,in which it issaid that wrong people can not be reformed.Gurmat edits that line and engrose reforming.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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