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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 163540" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>I added to it later that evening, Confusedji</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Faith in such a system would shake my very foundations and force me to abandon the path I am on at present. As you must know, we all have to follow our path, and if and when the time is right, another path will suddenly make sense, at present the path of Karma is incompatible with my beliefs, but that is not to say it does not exist. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have had to read the above several times in order to come up with a suitable answer, i can certainly see the sense in the whole karma argument, I suppose if I delved into it a bit more, I might even believe in it, however, I put faith in Guruji, it is a bit like distance healing, or prayer for the sick, they are most wonderful concepts and very attractive to believe in, as is karma, but the jist I am getting from the people I would call Guruji, all 11 of them, is that such paths are just circular, they are entertaining, but you end up just going round and round, Guruji has saved me much time by outlining which paths bear fruit and which do not, as such, I feel that these paths do not lead to enlightenment and Mukti. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am unfamiliar with this concept, all my life I have known when I was doing something bad, or something good, and I have done plenty bad, but I never put myself under the illusion it was good. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not think he was talking about being proactive, because that does beg the question what is good and what is bad, I like to think of that quote being a bit more obvious, say walking past a robbery, a rape, a crime and doing nothing. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not sure about this, I find hatred is won over by understanding, miserliness by understanding, envy etc etc, I think it is all understanding, otherwise you run the risk of being taken for a fool, a mug, unless people truly understand there is no hope, how to provide that understanding is possibly a bigger question, but I am not sure it is by being a kind generous moral person. This is where the Karma issue creeps in, you are looking at it from a much bigger picture than I am. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that good intentions, kindness and the oppertunity to do good should be carried out with extreme care and caution. I feel there is a huge risk of being manipulated and for the wrong people to be given this, better to help someone who will benefit, than somone who it will corrupt, that is where logic and thinking comes into it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We can be sure, as a Sikh, by reading and understanding Bani, which in my view, provides all the wisdom one needs to make the best decisions one can. Not blindly, but decisions made on the basis of intelligence, wisdom, discretion. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I believe in Creator and Creation, so the effect of my actions on Creation is of huge interest to me. I suppose my thinking is possibly incompatible with the whole concept of karma, but then that is because I follow a religion which, in my view, places no importance on karma whatsoever. I am more concerned with the effect my life has on the rest on Creation. Will I leave this earth better or worse for my presence, sounds egoistical, but is more to do with the knock on effect my actions have on the rest of Creation. That to me is important. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think there are truths, and there are universal truths. To a Hindu, his truth is his truth, but I do believe that there are universal truths which unite us all, be they Hindu, Sikh,</p><p>An example could be that it is wrong to rape a woman. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not sure I wish to live my life like this, It is idealistic, I find Sikhism offers a more realistic path, a combination of the spiritual and the worldly, I can find the state you describe through drugs, I do not want this, I want to enjoy the smell of cut grass, the smile on a babys face, I want to feel attracted to my wife, to enjoy polishing my car, to laugh at a good comedy, but also to know thr truth, and to know what it means to live, not some day, not when I am enlightened, but now, today, right now.</p><p></p><p> Your post is long, I will have to attack the rest tommorow Confusedji <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 163540, member: 14641"] I added to it later that evening, Confusedji Faith in such a system would shake my very foundations and force me to abandon the path I am on at present. As you must know, we all have to follow our path, and if and when the time is right, another path will suddenly make sense, at present the path of Karma is incompatible with my beliefs, but that is not to say it does not exist. I have had to read the above several times in order to come up with a suitable answer, i can certainly see the sense in the whole karma argument, I suppose if I delved into it a bit more, I might even believe in it, however, I put faith in Guruji, it is a bit like distance healing, or prayer for the sick, they are most wonderful concepts and very attractive to believe in, as is karma, but the jist I am getting from the people I would call Guruji, all 11 of them, is that such paths are just circular, they are entertaining, but you end up just going round and round, Guruji has saved me much time by outlining which paths bear fruit and which do not, as such, I feel that these paths do not lead to enlightenment and Mukti. I am unfamiliar with this concept, all my life I have known when I was doing something bad, or something good, and I have done plenty bad, but I never put myself under the illusion it was good. I do not think he was talking about being proactive, because that does beg the question what is good and what is bad, I like to think of that quote being a bit more obvious, say walking past a robbery, a rape, a crime and doing nothing. I am not sure about this, I find hatred is won over by understanding, miserliness by understanding, envy etc etc, I think it is all understanding, otherwise you run the risk of being taken for a fool, a mug, unless people truly understand there is no hope, how to provide that understanding is possibly a bigger question, but I am not sure it is by being a kind generous moral person. This is where the Karma issue creeps in, you are looking at it from a much bigger picture than I am. I think that good intentions, kindness and the oppertunity to do good should be carried out with extreme care and caution. I feel there is a huge risk of being manipulated and for the wrong people to be given this, better to help someone who will benefit, than somone who it will corrupt, that is where logic and thinking comes into it. We can be sure, as a Sikh, by reading and understanding Bani, which in my view, provides all the wisdom one needs to make the best decisions one can. Not blindly, but decisions made on the basis of intelligence, wisdom, discretion. I believe in Creator and Creation, so the effect of my actions on Creation is of huge interest to me. I suppose my thinking is possibly incompatible with the whole concept of karma, but then that is because I follow a religion which, in my view, places no importance on karma whatsoever. I am more concerned with the effect my life has on the rest on Creation. Will I leave this earth better or worse for my presence, sounds egoistical, but is more to do with the knock on effect my actions have on the rest of Creation. That to me is important. I think there are truths, and there are universal truths. To a Hindu, his truth is his truth, but I do believe that there are universal truths which unite us all, be they Hindu, Sikh, An example could be that it is wrong to rape a woman. I am not sure I wish to live my life like this, It is idealistic, I find Sikhism offers a more realistic path, a combination of the spiritual and the worldly, I can find the state you describe through drugs, I do not want this, I want to enjoy the smell of cut grass, the smile on a babys face, I want to feel attracted to my wife, to enjoy polishing my car, to laugh at a good comedy, but also to know thr truth, and to know what it means to live, not some day, not when I am enlightened, but now, today, right now. Your post is long, I will have to attack the rest tommorow Confusedji :) [/QUOTE]
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