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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 126078" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Jarnail Singh ji,</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">I did a search on srigranth.org and I found passages that I think confirm your "we have to live in it..so ENJOY IT.. BUT dont get carried away by it..as sole pursuit "</span></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੇ</a><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000">Great! So if you are in love with the "Husband Lord" you enjoyments are worth it, it not then they are worthless.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000">But real value is in loving the "Husband Lord", "True Guru" and "Name of the Lord".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Let's discuss what those phrases mean, perhaps in another thead.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and this phrase as well "</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">how can she look beautiful at Guru's Gate?"</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">What does it mean exactly?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">They don't seem to be pantheistic and they don't translate very well to "energy" or "truth". It seems like Wahguru is a pesonal God. Especially, when one considers (all) the passages below, and considers phrases like "Husband Lord".</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=21&english=t&id=900#l900" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #0066cc">Page 21, Line 18</span></span></u></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਕਾਇਆ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਜੇ ਕਰੀ ਭੋਗੇ ਭੋਗਣਹਾਰੁ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">काइआ कामणि जे करी भोगे भोगणहारु ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Kā▫i▫ā kāmaṇ je karī bẖoge bẖogaṇhār.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">If I surrender my body like a bride, the <strong><span style="color: #ab5555">Enjoy</span></strong>er will enjoy me.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: green"><strong>Guru Nanak Dev</strong></span> - <span style="color: #0066cc"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=21&L=18&id=900" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #000080">-----------------------------------</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #000080">More related to this thread topic:</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕ</a><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here Guru Nanak Dev ji seems to be suggesting that the name of God is to be repeated in order to reach him. I think this is "Naam contemplation", as mentioned earlier. Narayanjot Kaur ji presented a shabad which clearly stated that this is better than:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Meditative chants, intense deep meditation</strong>, austere [strict] self-discipline and rituals</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fasting, daily rituals, and austere [strict] self-discipline</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Reciting the four Vedas from memory</li> </ul><p>We should instead:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Serve the Guru, and <strong>meditate on the Naam</strong>; renounce the egotistical pride from your mind.</li> </ul><p>It seems as if one shouldn't perform meditative chants but recite naam over and over again. What's the difference? and How is this better than other rituals people perform?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">-----------------------------------------------------------</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Why is "Naam Contemption", the repeating of Name, given higher considerations than something everyone values, charity?</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><table width="84%"><tbody><tr><td><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੀਰਥੁ</a></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></td></tr></tbody></table></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=46&english=t&id=1870#l1870" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=46&english=t&id=1870#l1870</a></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 126078, member: 2610"] [SIZE=3]Jarnail Singh ji, I did a search on srigranth.org and I found passages that I think confirm your "we have to live in it..so ENJOY IT.. BUT dont get carried away by it..as sole pursuit "[/SIZE] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"][/URL][FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000]Great! So if you are in love with the "Husband Lord" you enjoyments are worth it, it not then they are worthless.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000]But real value is in loving the "Husband Lord", "True Guru" and "Name of the Lord".[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][U][COLOR=#0066cc][/COLOR][/U][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#800000][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1]Let's discuss what those phrases mean, perhaps in another thead.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1]and this phrase as well "[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]how can she look beautiful at Guru's Gate?"[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]What does it mean exactly?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]They don't seem to be pantheistic and they don't translate very well to "energy" or "truth". It seems like Wahguru is a pesonal God. Especially, when one considers (all) the passages below, and considers phrases like "Husband Lord".[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=21&english=t&id=900#l900"][U][SIZE=1][COLOR=#0066cc]Page 21, Line 18[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਕਾਇਆ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਜੇ ਕਰੀ ਭੋਗੇ ਭੋਗਣਹਾਰੁ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]काइआ कामणि जे करी भोगे भोगणहारु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Kā▫i▫ā kāmaṇ je karī bẖoge bẖogaṇhār.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]If I surrender my body like a bride, the [B][COLOR=#ab5555]Enjoy[/COLOR][/B]er will enjoy me.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=green][B]Guru Nanak Dev[/B][/COLOR] - [COLOR=#0066cc][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=21&L=18&id=900"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=#000080]-----------------------------------[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]More related to this thread topic:[/COLOR] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95"][/URL][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Here Guru Nanak Dev ji seems to be suggesting that the name of God is to be repeated in order to reach him. I think this is "Naam contemplation", as mentioned earlier. Narayanjot Kaur ji presented a shabad which clearly stated that this is better than: [LIST] [*][B]Meditative chants, intense deep meditation[/B], austere [strict] self-discipline and rituals [*]Fasting, daily rituals, and austere [strict] self-discipline [*]Reciting the four Vedas from memory [/LIST] We should instead: [LIST] [*]Serve the Guru, and [B]meditate on the Naam[/B]; renounce the egotistical pride from your mind. [/LIST] It seems as if one shouldn't perform meditative chants but recite naam over and over again. What's the difference? and How is this better than other rituals people perform? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]----------------------------------------------------------- [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Why is "Naam Contemption", the repeating of Name, given higher considerations than something everyone values, charity?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr]<table width="84%"><tbody><tr><td>[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%81"][/URL][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT] </td></tr></tbody></table> [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=46&english=t&id=1870#l1870"][/URL][/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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