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<blockquote data-quote="ik-jivan" data-source="post: 132450" data-attributes="member: 11730"><p>Ozark ji,</p><p>I think if we believe that the spirit of Nanak Dev ji returned 10 times and resides now in the SGGS ji, we must also believe in reincarnation. Yet, we should also see that Nanak Dev ji returned as a realized being, a jivan mukta, which should raise questions about a rather subtle principle of reincarnation. The Buddhists call one who returns as a jivan mukta a ‘Boddhisattva’. They return to aid the souls of other beings toward realization.</p><p> </p><p>That said, ‘Is it for a union with the Creator or a desire to free yourself from the Creation’ that one desires to merge with Ik Onkar? I think the desire is something of a spiritual instinct, or natural law, much like a droplet of water will always migrate toward a larger droplet of water when in proximity to it. The desire seems to be born out of aversion to pain and suffering, as well as the urge of prana to live. It moves consciousness from animal to realized man. You might say that union is intrinsic to being. Yet, if consciously pursued, the objective of merger become less a personal goal and yields to the Universal Divine Will. So, the jivan mukta could merge or they could be returned, like Nanak Dev ji, depending upon whether there is a hukam for that particular soul to fulfil.</p><p> </p><p>It seems to me that the fruit of spiritual evolution is the beginning of Anhad Shabad, Ajpa Jaap and the opening of Dasam Duar, which are mentioned all throughout SGGS ji and expounded upon in Japji Sahib. These are the manifestations of the realized man, the jivan mukta. The pineal gland is activated and begins to excrete Amrit Rass, or in scientific parlance, DMT, ATP and other chemicals that expand consciousness and strengthen body.</p><p> </p><p>So, I gave ‘Other’ as the reason for ending reincarnation. The ‘other’ is what Nanak Dev ji pointed out:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px">hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1]</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">h</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">u</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">kam raj</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">aaee</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> chalan</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">aa</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> n</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">aa</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">nak l</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">i</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">kh</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">iaa</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> n</span></span></span></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">aa</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">l ||1||</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?SourceID=G&PageNo=0001" target="_blank">http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?SourceID=G&PageNo=0001</a></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The desire is built-in to creation and is inevitable, but the option to return remains so long as any single soul isn’t ready to return.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Sat Sri Akal,</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">t</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ik-jivan, post: 132450, member: 11730"] Ozark ji, I think if we believe that the spirit of Nanak Dev ji returned 10 times and resides now in the SGGS ji, we must also believe in reincarnation. Yet, we should also see that Nanak Dev ji returned as a realized being, a jivan mukta, which should raise questions about a rather subtle principle of reincarnation. The Buddhists call one who returns as a jivan mukta a ‘Boddhisattva’. They return to aid the souls of other beings toward realization. That said, ‘Is it for a union with the Creator or a desire to free yourself from the Creation’ that one desires to merge with Ik Onkar? I think the desire is something of a spiritual instinct, or natural law, much like a droplet of water will always migrate toward a larger droplet of water when in proximity to it. The desire seems to be born out of aversion to pain and suffering, as well as the urge of prana to live. It moves consciousness from animal to realized man. You might say that union is intrinsic to being. Yet, if consciously pursued, the objective of merger become less a personal goal and yields to the Universal Divine Will. So, the jivan mukta could merge or they could be returned, like Nanak Dev ji, depending upon whether there is a hukam for that particular soul to fulfil. It seems to me that the fruit of spiritual evolution is the beginning of Anhad Shabad, Ajpa Jaap and the opening of Dasam Duar, which are mentioned all throughout SGGS ji and expounded upon in Japji Sahib. These are the manifestations of the realized man, the jivan mukta. The pineal gland is activated and begins to excrete Amrit Rass, or in scientific parlance, DMT, ATP and other chemicals that expand consciousness and strengthen body. So, I gave ‘Other’ as the reason for ending reincarnation. 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