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Gurbani (14-53)
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Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
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Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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Gurbani (151-185)
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Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
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Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
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Kaafee (365-409)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
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Gurbani (557-564)
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Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
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Anand (917-922)
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Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="Siri Kamala" data-source="post: 138366" data-attributes="member: 13802"><p>BhagatSingh ji, thank you. That is the closest anyone has come yet to offering me an explanation of how the 5 K's can bring us closer to God. wahkaur</p><p></p><p>That said... Meh. I'm still not persuaded that, for where I am in my life right now, and what I'm intending to achieve both spiritually and otherwise, donning a turban and a pair of loose white cotton undies and carrying a kirpan is the magic formula that's going to get me where I need to go. :shrug:</p><p></p><p>To me there is still the opposing (and equally valid, based on my own observations) point of view that wearing the 5 K's in Western culture (especially in the US post-9/11 amd damn the ignorance of those who cannot tell the difference...) creates an undesirable signal-to-noise ratio*.</p><p></p><p>* For anyone who isn't clear what I mean there...<span style="font-size: 10px">The concept of signal-to-noise ratio began as an abstract electrical engineering equation but has since evolved into a useful metaphor for many kinds of communication. All communication is a chain of informational signal creation ---> info. signal transmission ---> info. signal reception. At each step along the way, the useful information -- the signal -- is degraded by extraneous or irrelevant information: the <strong><em>noise</em></strong>. Good, effective communication, by definition, maximizes what’s important while minimizing the things that distract from the intended message.</span></p><p></p><p>I must also take into consideration the comfort levels of the existing people in my life, most of whom are white and Anglo, many of whom are Christian (culturally if not spiritually), and all of whom are going to give me something between this look --> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite28" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure :unsure:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":unsure:" /> and this look --> :shock: when I explain to them that I have found my true faith in Sikhi. </p><p></p><p>Understand -- it's not that I fear their reaction or even their disapproval. It's that I want them to feel as safe with this as I do, and as such I intend to meet them where they are, approaching them slowly and gently with an outstretched hand, as one might to give food to a semi-feral cat. And that takes patience and time.</p><p></p><p>If I show up at my boyfriend's parents home on Christmas morning with my kirpan and my hair in a turban, they're going to feel frightened of me, and they'd likely ask him if he had lost his mind, dating this crazy white girl who's some sort of weird Muslim-Hindu wannabee. But if they come to know me and trust me and feel safe with me over time... if first I only wear the kara (which I actually do wear now, 24 hours a day, and never remove except at the insistence of the annoying TSA agents :roll: ), and at some point someone will notice and ask me about it and I will tell them a little about my faith...and then maybe some other time I will show them my kirpan, and talk about what it symbolizes, both for the faith and for me personally, etc... Then they will accept it, and will respect and protect that aspect of who I am as I respect and protect it for myself because they have come to love and value me.</p><p></p><p>As God has very kindly, very patiently, very gently met me where I am, so I intend to meet those in my life with the news of my newfound faith -- kindly, patiently, gently...so that they will understand that I am still *me* and not be unintentionally and unnecessarily alienated from me by the fact that I am wearing what appears to them to be a foreign and possibly threatening costume.</p><p></p><p>And I guess all I ask here is that people not judge my decision to take that approach. It is one that is mindfully and consciously chosen. Maybe someday I will even go so far as to leave my hair untouched. It's hard for me to imagine but stranger things have happened in my life for sure. In any case, I'm not particularly worried about it.</p><p></p><p>And more importantly, I don't get the sense that God is really wringing hands about it either. busyknitting :thx:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Siri Kamala, post: 138366, member: 13802"] BhagatSingh ji, thank you. That is the closest anyone has come yet to offering me an explanation of how the 5 K's can bring us closer to God. wahkaur That said... Meh. I'm still not persuaded that, for where I am in my life right now, and what I'm intending to achieve both spiritually and otherwise, donning a turban and a pair of loose white cotton undies and carrying a kirpan is the magic formula that's going to get me where I need to go. :shrug: To me there is still the opposing (and equally valid, based on my own observations) point of view that wearing the 5 K's in Western culture (especially in the US post-9/11 amd damn the ignorance of those who cannot tell the difference...) creates an undesirable signal-to-noise ratio*. * For anyone who isn't clear what I mean there...[SIZE="2"]The concept of signal-to-noise ratio began as an abstract electrical engineering equation but has since evolved into a useful metaphor for many kinds of communication. All communication is a chain of informational signal creation ---> info. signal transmission ---> info. signal reception. At each step along the way, the useful information -- the signal -- is degraded by extraneous or irrelevant information: the [B][I]noise[/I][/B]. Good, effective communication, by definition, maximizes what’s important while minimizing the things that distract from the intended message.[/SIZE] I must also take into consideration the comfort levels of the existing people in my life, most of whom are white and Anglo, many of whom are Christian (culturally if not spiritually), and all of whom are going to give me something between this look --> :unsure: and this look --> :shock: when I explain to them that I have found my true faith in Sikhi. Understand -- it's not that I fear their reaction or even their disapproval. It's that I want them to feel as safe with this as I do, and as such I intend to meet them where they are, approaching them slowly and gently with an outstretched hand, as one might to give food to a semi-feral cat. And that takes patience and time. If I show up at my boyfriend's parents home on Christmas morning with my kirpan and my hair in a turban, they're going to feel frightened of me, and they'd likely ask him if he had lost his mind, dating this crazy white girl who's some sort of weird Muslim-Hindu wannabee. But if they come to know me and trust me and feel safe with me over time... if first I only wear the kara (which I actually do wear now, 24 hours a day, and never remove except at the insistence of the annoying TSA agents :roll: ), and at some point someone will notice and ask me about it and I will tell them a little about my faith...and then maybe some other time I will show them my kirpan, and talk about what it symbolizes, both for the faith and for me personally, etc... Then they will accept it, and will respect and protect that aspect of who I am as I respect and protect it for myself because they have come to love and value me. As God has very kindly, very patiently, very gently met me where I am, so I intend to meet those in my life with the news of my newfound faith -- kindly, patiently, gently...so that they will understand that I am still *me* and not be unintentionally and unnecessarily alienated from me by the fact that I am wearing what appears to them to be a foreign and possibly threatening costume. And I guess all I ask here is that people not judge my decision to take that approach. It is one that is mindfully and consciously chosen. Maybe someday I will even go so far as to leave my hair untouched. It's hard for me to imagine but stranger things have happened in my life for sure. In any case, I'm not particularly worried about it. And more importantly, I don't get the sense that God is really wringing hands about it either. busyknitting :thx: [/QUOTE]
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