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<blockquote data-quote="Siri Kamala" data-source="post: 138361" data-attributes="member: 13802"><p>Good evening, findingmyway ji <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/happykudi.jpg" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happykudi:" title="Happykudi :happykudi:" data-shortname=":happykudi:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One small clarification, if I may: It is symbolic to <em>you</em> of <em>your</em> commitment to Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>I hope that neither you nor anyone else here is claiming to know better what is in my heart and my head about Sikhi than I do... <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/seriouskudi.jpg" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":seriouskudi:" title="Seriouskudi :seriouskudi:" data-shortname=":seriouskudi:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I appreciate your personalizing that. :grinningkudi: </p><p></p><p>I do wish to emphasize the word choice there though -- it is <strong>A</strong> way. It is ONE way. It is far from the ONLY way a Sikh (or person of any other faith) can stand up for the downtrodden. </p><p></p><p>As for it stopping people from running away when things get tough -- seriously? If the only thing that stops a Sikh from denying their faith when the going gets tough is their uncut hair and/or turban, their faith is pretty superficial and weak. <img src="/images/smilies/talking/lame.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lame:" title="Lame :lame:" data-shortname=":lame:" /> The kind of strength that keeps someone from running scared when threats arise is an internal resource that must be developed over time and with practice. There is no external symbol that is going to give someone that strength on the inside if it's not already there to begin with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>:sigh:</p><p>#1 - Do you really want to use the Slippery Slope argument? I ask because the answer will be different for every person you ask, and as arguments go, it's not generally a very strong one.</p><p></p><p>For me personally -- I draw the line where it makes sense to draw the line based on my internal locus of control, the dictates of my conscience, and my relationship with God. </p><p></p><p>Will you grant that I likely know myself, in that regard and in every other sense, better than you or anyone else here knows me? :03:</p><p></p><p>Beyond that, extrapolating the argument out to the general population of Sikhs, unless you can demonstrate clearly that it is virtually inevitable that A leads to B and B leads to C and so on all the way down to Z, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#The_slippery_slope_as_fallacy" target="_blank">that is a logical fallacy</a>. </p><p></p><p>The fact is, every person is going to respond to external pressures and stimuli differently, based on their <em>internal</em> resources and their degree of intestinal fortitude. When challenged about their faith some people will cave in like a Chilean mine shaft. Others will not be moved, even at the cost of their own lives such as Sir William Wallace of Scotland or our own beloved Guru Teg Bahadur. My hair does not determine my integrity, nor my determination.</p><p></p><p>I hope that, by that same token, it is not the sole factor that is determining yours. :meditation:</p><p></p><p>#2 - There's an essential ingredient missing there for me as well -- that part about "It has to make sense to me." I still see no rational argument for growing my hair and/or wearing a turban. Totally respect and honor those who feel it's important -- more power to them -- it's just... not something that seems important or necessary for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, see... that's where you and I part ways. It's not that I lack the "strength to wear it with pride." That may be the story you've told yourself about me, but it is not my story that I would tell about who I am <u>at all</u>.</p><p></p><p>I would appreciate it if you would do me this small kindness, going forward: dignify me with *asking* me what I think or what I believe or why I say or do a certain thing. Become curious about me and open to accepting my answers as true for me. Feel free to inquire of me about whatever you like -- I'm pretty much an open book and I will likely be happy to answer your questions.</p><p></p><p>But no one likes it when someone says or implies things about them that do not jibe with what that person knows to be true of themselves. </p><p></p><p>Can we agree to that, I hope? peacesignkaur</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure you're really giving me enough credit -- it's a little more complicated and nuanced than that from my point of view. It's not simply that I'm wringing my hands about what the neighbors will think. I could put knots in your dastar telling you things I've said or done in the past that demonstrated how little I gave a fig what anyone thought in a particular situation. When I determine that something is "a beach worth dying on," folks better lead, follow, or get out of the way. </p><p></p><p>That said, I also choose my battles carefully, because I have learned that being *effective* and getting *results* matter a lot more than that little pat on the back I give myself for being "right" (even though everyone ignored what I said or I ended up alienating the very people I was attempting to persuade).</p><p></p><p>And well... as this is something that simply does not make sense to me, on any level beyond "because the Guru said so right here :advocate: " it's not a beach I'm willing to die on. :a23: That doesn't mean I'm :a39:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wait -- exqueeze me? To whom are you addressing that? Because if it's addressed to me, I will need you to point out ANY instance you can find anywhere in any forum here where I have criticized anyone for holding those things dear. </p><p></p><p>On the contrary, I have consistently stated my great respect for people who hold those things dear. I just do not share their values in that regard.</p><p></p><p>Please clarify. <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/confusedkudi.jpg" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confusedkudi:" title="Confusedkudi :confusedkudi:" data-shortname=":confusedkudi:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We will not likely ever agree because our foundational premises are not the same. For <em>you</em>, kesh is a requirement of Sikhi. And I know you are not alone in that belief.</p><p></p><p>For me, it is not, and I know I, also, am not alone in that belief. You may believe that we're all, the whole lot of us, wrong or insane or what have you. That's your right. But y'know...I'm not here to argue with you and tell you you're wrong, girlfriend. I'm just not.</p><p></p><p>I'm here to learn and to clarify in my own mind what makes sense, and where I fit in the realm of Sikhi. I would never presume to tell you what is in your heart and never in a million bazillion YEARS would I tell you -- a sister in faith whom I am just now beginning to know -- that there is anything about your faith or your way of practicing it that is wrong or invalid.</p><p></p><p>Because, based on what I've read, that would not be in keeping with my understanding of Sikhi, and I think you deserve to have your beliefs and your practice of faith respected.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And sister-friend, if that works for <strong>you</strong>, then amen and more power to you in the name of Waheguru!</p><p></p><p>But it would not play out that way for me. I've got a lot of things <strong>inside</strong> my head that keep me true to myself and dissuade me from being swayed by the transient world. It's unlikely that anything I could do with my hair or place on my head could make that any weaker or stronger.</p><p></p><p>Meditation... prayer... learning, discussing -- those things, on the other hand, will go a LONG way toward solidifying my faith. </p><p></p><p>Thank you! :carefreekudi:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Siri Kamala, post: 138361, member: 13802"] Good evening, findingmyway ji :happykudi: One small clarification, if I may: It is symbolic to [I]you[/I] of [I]your[/I] commitment to Sikhi. I hope that neither you nor anyone else here is claiming to know better what is in my heart and my head about Sikhi than I do... :seriouskudi: I appreciate your personalizing that. :grinningkudi: I do wish to emphasize the word choice there though -- it is [B]A[/B] way. It is ONE way. It is far from the ONLY way a Sikh (or person of any other faith) can stand up for the downtrodden. As for it stopping people from running away when things get tough -- seriously? If the only thing that stops a Sikh from denying their faith when the going gets tough is their uncut hair and/or turban, their faith is pretty superficial and weak. :lame: The kind of strength that keeps someone from running scared when threats arise is an internal resource that must be developed over time and with practice. There is no external symbol that is going to give someone that strength on the inside if it's not already there to begin with. :sigh: #1 - Do you really want to use the Slippery Slope argument? I ask because the answer will be different for every person you ask, and as arguments go, it's not generally a very strong one. For me personally -- I draw the line where it makes sense to draw the line based on my internal locus of control, the dictates of my conscience, and my relationship with God. Will you grant that I likely know myself, in that regard and in every other sense, better than you or anyone else here knows me? :03: Beyond that, extrapolating the argument out to the general population of Sikhs, unless you can demonstrate clearly that it is virtually inevitable that A leads to B and B leads to C and so on all the way down to Z, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#The_slippery_slope_as_fallacy"]that is a logical fallacy[/URL]. The fact is, every person is going to respond to external pressures and stimuli differently, based on their [I]internal[/I] resources and their degree of intestinal fortitude. When challenged about their faith some people will cave in like a Chilean mine shaft. Others will not be moved, even at the cost of their own lives such as Sir William Wallace of Scotland or our own beloved Guru Teg Bahadur. My hair does not determine my integrity, nor my determination. I hope that, by that same token, it is not the sole factor that is determining yours. :meditation: #2 - There's an essential ingredient missing there for me as well -- that part about "It has to make sense to me." I still see no rational argument for growing my hair and/or wearing a turban. Totally respect and honor those who feel it's important -- more power to them -- it's just... not something that seems important or necessary for me. Yeah, see... that's where you and I part ways. It's not that I lack the "strength to wear it with pride." That may be the story you've told yourself about me, but it is not my story that I would tell about who I am [U]at all[/U]. I would appreciate it if you would do me this small kindness, going forward: dignify me with *asking* me what I think or what I believe or why I say or do a certain thing. Become curious about me and open to accepting my answers as true for me. Feel free to inquire of me about whatever you like -- I'm pretty much an open book and I will likely be happy to answer your questions. But no one likes it when someone says or implies things about them that do not jibe with what that person knows to be true of themselves. Can we agree to that, I hope? peacesignkaur I'm not sure you're really giving me enough credit -- it's a little more complicated and nuanced than that from my point of view. It's not simply that I'm wringing my hands about what the neighbors will think. I could put knots in your dastar telling you things I've said or done in the past that demonstrated how little I gave a fig what anyone thought in a particular situation. When I determine that something is "a beach worth dying on," folks better lead, follow, or get out of the way. That said, I also choose my battles carefully, because I have learned that being *effective* and getting *results* matter a lot more than that little pat on the back I give myself for being "right" (even though everyone ignored what I said or I ended up alienating the very people I was attempting to persuade). And well... as this is something that simply does not make sense to me, on any level beyond "because the Guru said so right here :advocate: " it's not a beach I'm willing to die on. :a23: That doesn't mean I'm :a39: Wait -- exqueeze me? To whom are you addressing that? Because if it's addressed to me, I will need you to point out ANY instance you can find anywhere in any forum here where I have criticized anyone for holding those things dear. On the contrary, I have consistently stated my great respect for people who hold those things dear. I just do not share their values in that regard. Please clarify. :confusedkudi: We will not likely ever agree because our foundational premises are not the same. For [I]you[/I], kesh is a requirement of Sikhi. And I know you are not alone in that belief. For me, it is not, and I know I, also, am not alone in that belief. You may believe that we're all, the whole lot of us, wrong or insane or what have you. That's your right. But y'know...I'm not here to argue with you and tell you you're wrong, girlfriend. I'm just not. I'm here to learn and to clarify in my own mind what makes sense, and where I fit in the realm of Sikhi. I would never presume to tell you what is in your heart and never in a million bazillion YEARS would I tell you -- a sister in faith whom I am just now beginning to know -- that there is anything about your faith or your way of practicing it that is wrong or invalid. Because, based on what I've read, that would not be in keeping with my understanding of Sikhi, and I think you deserve to have your beliefs and your practice of faith respected. And sister-friend, if that works for [B]you[/B], then amen and more power to you in the name of Waheguru! But it would not play out that way for me. I've got a lot of things [B]inside[/B] my head that keep me true to myself and dissuade me from being swayed by the transient world. It's unlikely that anything I could do with my hair or place on my head could make that any weaker or stronger. Meditation... prayer... learning, discussing -- those things, on the other hand, will go a LONG way toward solidifying my faith. Thank you! :carefreekudi: [/QUOTE]
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