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What Is The Role Of Sants In The Khalsa Panth?
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 82081" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Sikh80 ji</p><p></p><p>Tell me if I am wrong. But to me Guruji is saying that there is One Holy Sant speaking in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib.</p><p></p><p>This has always been a difficult concept for me. I believe there is ONE Holy Sant, but am willing to listen to other explanations.</p><p></p><p>The three lines leading me to that conclusion come from your previous posting. Two times, Guru Ran Das says <em>met/meet with the Holy Sant</em> and this is combined with <em>greet the Guru. </em>SANT AND THE SATGURU are the same presence in my understanding. </p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਾਮਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਰੋਧਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਗਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਹੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਭਰਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਿਲਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%82" target="_blank">ਸਾਧੂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਖੰਡਲ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਖੰਡਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਹੇ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Kām karoḏẖ nagar baho bẖari*ā mil sāḏẖū kẖandal kẖanda hė.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">The body-village is filled to overflowing with anger and sexual desire; these were broken into bits when <strong>I met with the Holy Saint.</strong></span></span></span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪੂਰਬਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਲਿਖਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਲਿਖੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਗੁਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਪਾਇਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਨਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹਰਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5" target="_blank">ਲਿਵ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਮੰਡਲ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮੰਡਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਹੇ </a> ॥੧॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Pūrab likẖaṯ likẖė gur pā*i*ā man har liv mandal mandā hė. ||1||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">By pre-ordained destiny, I have met <strong>with the Guru.</strong> I have entered into the realm of the Lord's Love. ||1||</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਰਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%82" target="_blank">ਸਾਧੂ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਅੰਜੁਲੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪੁਨੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਵਡਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਹੇ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Kar sāḏẖū anjulī pun vadā hė.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Greet <strong>the Holy Saint</strong> with your palms pressed together; this is an act of great merit.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black">You go onto to say the following,</span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue"> There is a direct reference in the bani that one should be the slave to the Saintly persons.</span></span></em></span></span> The sants who are the sadhsangha(t)th, the holy persons, are one with The One Holy Sant, because of the purity of their consciousness. These sants and the "sants" in ardaas are not the One Holy Sant referred to in Gurbani <em>per se.</em> This is a different idea of "sants." So I am probably in agreement with you. </p><p></p><p>Thank you for putting the discussion forward. In His nirgun form He is beyond all of those who are One with Him, although they have merged with Him. IMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 82081, member: 35"] Sikh80 ji Tell me if I am wrong. But to me Guruji is saying that there is One Holy Sant speaking in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. This has always been a difficult concept for me. I believe there is ONE Holy Sant, but am willing to listen to other explanations. The three lines leading me to that conclusion come from your previous posting. Two times, Guru Ran Das says [I]met/meet with the Holy Sant[/I] and this is combined with [I]greet the Guru. [/I]SANT AND THE SATGURU are the same presence in my understanding. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਾਮਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਰੋਧਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"]ਨਗਰੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"]ਬਹੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਭਰਿਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"]ਮਿਲਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%82"]ਸਾਧੂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2"]ਖੰਡਲ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE"]ਖੰਡਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87"]ਹੇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Kām karoḏẖ nagar baho bẖari*ā mil sāḏẖū kẖandal kẖanda hė.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]The body-village is filled to overflowing with anger and sexual desire; these were broken into bits when [B]I met with the Holy Saint.[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF"]ਪੂਰਬਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%A4"]ਲਿਖਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87"]ਲਿਖੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"]ਗੁਰੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"]ਪਾਇਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"]ਮਨਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਹਰਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5"]ਲਿਵ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2"]ਮੰਡਲ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE"]ਮੰਡਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87"]ਹੇ [/URL] ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Pūrab likẖaṯ likẖė gur pā*i*ā man har liv mandal mandā hė. ||1||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]By pre-ordained destiny, I have met [B]with the Guru.[/B] I have entered into the realm of the Lord's Love. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਰਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%82"]ਸਾਧੂ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80"]ਅੰਜੁਲੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"]ਪੁਨੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BE"]ਵਡਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87"]ਹੇ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Kar sāḏẖū anjulī pun vadā hė.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Greet [B]the Holy Saint[/B] with your palms pressed together; this is an act of great merit.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]You go onto to say the following,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue] There is a direct reference in the bani that one should be the slave to the Saintly persons.[/COLOR][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] The sants who are the sadhsangha(t)th, the holy persons, are one with The One Holy Sant, because of the purity of their consciousness. These sants and the "sants" in ardaas are not the One Holy Sant referred to in Gurbani [I]per se.[/I] This is a different idea of "sants." So I am probably in agreement with you. Thank you for putting the discussion forward. In His nirgun form He is beyond all of those who are One with Him, although they have merged with Him. IMHO [/QUOTE]
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