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<blockquote data-quote="Hai_Bhi_Sach" data-source="post: 51211" data-attributes="member: 4398"><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Surinder<span style="font-size: 15px"> Kaur Cheema ji</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh.</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Brothers and sisters of this forum. If you are going to read the contents of this conversation, then Please form your own opinions on this conversations. If your do not agree with my comments, feel free to call me a madman or a fool but do not get confused. I take no responsibility. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ijin ieh cwKI soeI jwxY gUMgy kI imiTAweI ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">rqnu lukwieAw lUkY nwhI jy ko rKY lukweI ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">gurbani page 608</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The first line is the explanation to the statement in the second line. (Gurban is written in parables those who seek the truth shall find the answers within)</span></span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">By concealing, the jewel remains unconcealed, unless he (Parmatma) wants it left concealed.</span></span></span></em></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: fuchsia">Only the one who have tasted the “Naam” knows the taste. The taste of “Naam” when it ripens, it drips on the tongue like a sweet Necter (This is the Jewel). It is only the taster that knows the taste but cannot explain it. Because his tongue is tied.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The “Dumbman” is excited, full of joy. This joy in him is trying to burst out. You can see it in him, the Jewel wants to show his glory but alas his posessers dumbess prevents the exposure. Guru ji prompts to us “Recite the naam and find the taste out for youself.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">With due respect to you, this is the reason why I added the first line as a hint and asked you to choose one answer. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Please experience the taste and you shall find the answer.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The twist you made here is very interesting.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">There is no twist. This is the very cause of confusion in ones mind. We take words out of context and then try to make sence out of it.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Satgur Parsaad…</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">jo bRhmMfy soeI ipMfy jo KojY so pwvY ] pIpw pRxvY prm qqu hY siqguru hoie lKwvY</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'"> ]</span></span></strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; whoever seeks Him, finds Him there. Peepaa prays, the Lord is the supreme essence; He reveals Himself through the True Guru.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is an academics way of trying to make sense with words and without any realisation.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">So God dwells within us as well as all over. And Dhan Dhan Bhagat Peepa Ji is telling us that God is within and can be reached if we seek. Lord reveals Himself through the True Guru. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Are you now not contradicting yourself here ?</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'">The Guru gives you the “Gur” technique and you practise that technique and you DISCOVER God. We are the Gods. There is no second. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkhar'">sBu ikCu Awpy Awip hY</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">As well gurbani tells us over and over again-HE IS ALL HIMSELF-</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkhar'">sBu ikCu Awpy Awip hY </span></span></strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Then bani tells us- THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GURU AND GOD.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This is where there is confusion. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GURU AND GOD and US (When you have realised it) We are all one and the same. There is no Duality.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: blue">My question to you is-</span></strong><strong><span style="color: red">How come sower of the seed is different than the guide?</span></strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Again taken out of context and from a different conversation but I will try to explain.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Think of the Farmer as the sower of the seed. Once the seeds are sown in the fields, the Farmer if he chooses to can send any one of his family members to go and tend to his crop. Those members are also his own seeds. As I had said, we have among us several higly spiritual beings who from time to time come to attend to us “The Crop”.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Satgur Prasaad</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">iQru Gir bYshu hir jn ipAwry ] siqguir qumry kwj svwry ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Remain steady in the home of your own self, O beloved servant of the Lord. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'">(Meditate and look within yourself, seek not outside)(Discover yourself)</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The True Guru shall resolve all your affairs. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'">(The Truth is within you and will resolve all your affairs) </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">||1||Pause||</span></span></strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Here Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji is telling us to learn patience and stay in faith, as HE(GOD) IS THE KARTA PURKH, TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING. A sadhak does not worry about his/her affairs, as faith in God is strong enough and he/she has surrendered totally his/her body/mind/belongings to God/Guru. No iness is present anymore, it is Him and only Him…….</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You are creating duality here</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">You mention:</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Quote:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hai_Bhi_Sach</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The other paths are there, for those, who dare dwell on them but, they are full of hurdles and hardships unless a “true” teacher/guide is with you. </span></span></span></strong></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">A true sikh, does not sit in judgment of other religions, as you yourself said</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Quote:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hai_Bhi_Sach</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">As Sikhs we are also defenders of the faiths.</span></span></strong></span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">a true gurmukh, respects all. as he/she see God alone within and without(Sargun Nirgun Nirankaar). indifference means there is presence of haumay(ego). and gurbani tells us</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-size: 15px">haumY nwvY nwil ivroDu hY duie n vsih iek Twie ]</span></span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Quote:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hai_Bhi_Sach</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The other paths are there, for those, who dare dwell on them but, they are full of hurdles and hardships unless a “true” teacher/guide is with you. A true guide does not give you anything but takes away all you have. Either way you have to die.You have to first find a real Gem among many fakes. So why waste time die in love of God. </span></span></span></strong></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">If ones feeling get hurt then one is yet to become Sikh of Our Gurus.</span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">"Pehlan maran kabool, jivan di shad aas, hun sabna ki renka tabhi aaaeo hamre pass"</span></span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">You are contradicting your own words-</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Quote:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hai_Bhi_Sach</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">A true guide does not give you anything but takes away all you have.</span></span></em></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">Then you mention-</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Quote:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Originally Posted by <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hai_Bhi_Sach</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">Pehlan maran kabool, jivan di shad aas, hun sabna ki renka tabhi aaaeo hamre pass……</span></span></em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The message here is, be serious if you want to follow the path of discovery. We are trying to discover ourself and not anyone else. Your consider there to be DUALITY. There is GOD and there is GURU. – There is only one and one only. As long as you keep creating barriers within yourself, you are the one who stands to loose. It is like a dog chasing his own tail but does not realise the tail his own. (An analogy only no offence intended here – Sincere apologies if offended)</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Another thing I must say-</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">DEATH- death has to come first.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji has written all in Jap(JapJi)……………………….</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Most of Jap(Japji) is a conversationwith Sidh Log. I wll not dwell into this you will get even more confused.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Sadh Sangat Ji death has to come first, until you kill this haumai, nothing is possible. Mind has to be purified. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Simran alone (without the inner cleansing) leads to SAHAS SYANPAA mentioned in japji sahib pauri 1. As this becomes just like a meditation that a sidh yogi does to acquire Sidhies. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">We treat Kam, Krodth, Lobh, Moh Ahankar as enemies. As long as you treat them as so you can never conquer them. They are your best friends and treat them as friends. In your search of self discovery, you need their help. How to use them is again a like a dumbmans sweet.</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">(You will aquire is sehj subaye or scientifically) </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">And just to clarify one point-</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">i never said- ‘knowledge gives you spiritual wisdom’. not sure how you got that point. </span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Ok I apologise if I misinterpreted you</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Also when you are on this path, you do not drop knowledge, it comes to you. When the third eye opens, you perceive all the knowledge that is ever known. And once again..WE MUST BE CONSTANTLY CHECKING OUR EGO, THIS HAS TO BE UNDER CONTROL ALL THE TIME. Otherwise, no use.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This may be your experience in your journey at you stage. I do not believe in carrying excess baggage.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Dead people do not have ego. You have to be alive to detect that.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: blue">Humbly i am only suggesting the truth, please forgive me.</span></span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: fuchsia"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">No apologies needed, you too are an image of god, just like me. The truth you say is your version. When you taste the Nector. Your opinion will change. I wish you luck on your journey.</span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">My sincere apologies if I have caused anyone any offence</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Technical'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Guru Fatehj<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hai_Bhi_Sach, post: 51211, member: 4398"] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman]Surinder[SIZE=4] Kaur Cheema ji[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=red][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Brothers and sisters of this forum. If you are going to read the contents of this conversation, then Please form your own opinions on this conversations. If your do not agree with my comments, feel free to call me a madman or a fool but do not get confused. I take no responsibility. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]ijin ieh cwKI soeI jwxY gUMgy kI imiTAweI ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]rqnu lukwieAw lUkY nwhI jy ko rKY lukweI ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]gurbani page 608[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]The first line is the explanation to the statement in the second line. (Gurban is written in parables those who seek the truth shall find the answers within)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]By concealing, the jewel remains unconcealed, unless he (Parmatma) wants it left concealed.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [FONT=Technical][SIZE=4][COLOR=fuchsia]Only the one who have tasted the “Naam” knows the taste. The taste of “Naam” when it ripens, it drips on the tongue like a sweet Necter (This is the Jewel). It is only the taster that knows the taste but cannot explain it. Because his tongue is tied.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]The “Dumbman” is excited, full of joy. This joy in him is trying to burst out. You can see it in him, the Jewel wants to show his glory but alas his posessers dumbess prevents the exposure. Guru ji prompts to us “Recite the naam and find the taste out for youself.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]With due respect to you, this is the reason why I added the first line as a hint and asked you to choose one answer. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Please experience the taste and you shall find the answer.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]The twist you made here is very interesting.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]There is no twist. This is the very cause of confusion in ones mind. We take words out of context and then try to make sence out of it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Satgur Parsaad…[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy]jo bRhmMfy soeI ipMfy jo KojY so pwvY ] pIpw pRxvY prm qqu hY siqguru hoie lKwvY[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy] ][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; whoever seeks Him, finds Him there. Peepaa prays, the Lord is the supreme essence; He reveals Himself through the True Guru.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]This is an academics way of trying to make sense with words and without any realisation.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]So God dwells within us as well as all over. And Dhan Dhan Bhagat Peepa Ji is telling us that God is within and can be reached if we seek. Lord reveals Himself through the True Guru. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Are you now not contradicting yourself here ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical]The Guru gives you the “Gur” technique and you practise that technique and you DISCOVER God. We are the Gods. There is no second. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=GurbaniAkhar]sBu ikCu Awpy Awip hY[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman]As well gurbani tells us over and over again-HE IS ALL HIMSELF-[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=GurbaniAkhar]sBu ikCu Awpy Awip hY [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Then bani tells us- THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GURU AND GOD.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]This is where there is confusion. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GURU AND GOD and US (When you have realised it) We are all one and the same. There is no Duality.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4][B][COLOR=blue]My question to you is-[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red]How come sower of the seed is different than the guide?[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Again taken out of context and from a different conversation but I will try to explain.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Think of the Farmer as the sower of the seed. Once the seeds are sown in the fields, the Farmer if he chooses to can send any one of his family members to go and tend to his crop. Those members are also his own seeds. As I had said, we have among us several higly spiritual beings who from time to time come to attend to us “The Crop”.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Satgur Prasaad[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy][SIZE=4]iQru Gir bYshu hir jn ipAwry ] siqguir qumry kwj svwry ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman]Remain steady in the home of your own self, O beloved servant of the Lord. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical](Meditate and look within yourself, seek not outside)(Discover yourself)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman]The True Guru shall resolve all your affairs. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical](The Truth is within you and will resolve all your affairs) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman]||1||Pause||[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Here Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev Ji is telling us to learn patience and stay in faith, as HE(GOD) IS THE KARTA PURKH, TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING. A sadhak does not worry about his/her affairs, as faith in God is strong enough and he/she has surrendered totally his/her body/mind/belongings to God/Guru. No iness is present anymore, it is Him and only Him…….[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]You are creating duality here[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]You mention:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Quote:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Hai_Bhi_Sach[/FONT][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [I][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]The other paths are there, for those, who dare dwell on them but, they are full of hurdles and hardships unless a “true” teacher/guide is with you. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/I] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]A true sikh, does not sit in judgment of other religions, as you yourself said[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Quote:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Hai_Bhi_Sach[/FONT][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [I][FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]As Sikhs we are also defenders of the faiths.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT][/I] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]a true gurmukh, respects all. as he/she see God alone within and without(Sargun Nirgun Nirankaar). indifference means there is presence of haumay(ego). and gurbani tells us[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][SIZE=4]haumY nwvY nwil ivroDu hY duie n vsih iek Twie ][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Quote:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Hai_Bhi_Sach[/FONT][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [I][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]The other paths are there, for those, who dare dwell on them but, they are full of hurdles and hardships unless a “true” teacher/guide is with you. A true guide does not give you anything but takes away all you have. Either way you have to die.You have to first find a real Gem among many fakes. So why waste time die in love of God. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]If ones feeling get hurt then one is yet to become Sikh of Our Gurus.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]"Pehlan maran kabool, jivan di shad aas, hun sabna ki renka tabhi aaaeo hamre pass"[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]You are contradicting your own words-[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Quote:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Hai_Bhi_Sach[/FONT][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][B][I][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]A true guide does not give you anything but takes away all you have.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B][/FONT] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Then you mention-[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Quote:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by [B][FONT=Verdana]Hai_Bhi_Sach[/FONT][/B] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][I][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]Pehlan maran kabool, jivan di shad aas, hun sabna ki renka tabhi aaaeo hamre pass……[/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/FONT] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]The message here is, be serious if you want to follow the path of discovery. We are trying to discover ourself and not anyone else. Your consider there to be DUALITY. There is GOD and there is GURU. – There is only one and one only. As long as you keep creating barriers within yourself, you are the one who stands to loose. It is like a dog chasing his own tail but does not realise the tail his own. (An analogy only no offence intended here – Sincere apologies if offended)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Another thing I must say-[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]DEATH- death has to come first.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji has written all in Jap(JapJi)……………………….[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Most of Jap(Japji) is a conversationwith Sidh Log. I wll not dwell into this you will get even more confused.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Sadh Sangat Ji death has to come first, until you kill this haumai, nothing is possible. Mind has to be purified. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Simran alone (without the inner cleansing) leads to SAHAS SYANPAA mentioned in japji sahib pauri 1. As this becomes just like a meditation that a sidh yogi does to acquire Sidhies. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]We treat Kam, Krodth, Lobh, Moh Ahankar as enemies. As long as you treat them as so you can never conquer them. They are your best friends and treat them as friends. In your search of self discovery, you need their help. How to use them is again a like a dumbmans sweet.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4](You will aquire is sehj subaye or scientifically) [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]And just to clarify one point-[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]i never said- ‘knowledge gives you spiritual wisdom’. not sure how you got that point. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Ok I apologise if I misinterpreted you[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=4]Also when you are on this path, you do not drop knowledge, it comes to you. When the third eye opens, you perceive all the knowledge that is ever known. And once again..WE MUST BE CONSTANTLY CHECKING OUR EGO, THIS HAS TO BE UNDER CONTROL ALL THE TIME. Otherwise, no use.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]This may be your experience in your journey at you stage. I do not believe in carrying excess baggage.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Dead people do not have ego. You have to be alive to detect that.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]Humbly i am only suggesting the truth, please forgive me.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [B][COLOR=fuchsia][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]No apologies needed, you too are an image of god, just like me. The truth you say is your version. When you taste the Nector. Your opinion will change. I wish you luck on your journey.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][/SIZE] [COLOR=red][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]My sincere apologies if I have caused anyone any offence[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Technical][SIZE=4]Guru Fatehj:) [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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