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ਵੇਦ ਹਥਿਆਰ Ved Hatheeaar- wepons from the Vedas. For Naam meditation

Don_Punjab

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Waheguru Naam Jaap

There is more to Waheguru Naam Jaap meditation then Just calling out the name Waheguru in a crossed legged pose!

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Chakras fall under Ved Hatheeaar ਵੇਦ ਹਥਿਆਰ
Guru Nanak Dev ji depicted in Nitnem Pauri 37, 38 the Naam meditation techniques

Agan Tap taa-o! How to increase the Fire and heat within? So we may melt the Name of Waheguru


They made a reference to use Ved Hatheeaar.
Sikhi in order to graps the depth of meditation, To reach Anand and beyond, to Reach VAHEGURU
We must utilize Vedic techniques along with correct Naap Jaap techniques.
This specifically is deeper than Jaaping
Vaahee-Guru-uuu out loud
It must be Jaap 'd within! & melted in the Crucible of love.

ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਵੇਦ ਹਥੀਆਰ ਦੀ ਵਰਤੋਂ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਹਵਾਲਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ।

ਸਿੱਖੀ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਦੀ ਡੂੰਘਾਈ ਨੂੰ ਪਕੜਨ ਲਈ, ਅਨੰਦ ਅਤੇ ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਰੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਤੱਕ ਪਹੁੰਚਣ ਲਈ।

ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਹੀ ਨਾਪ ਜਾਪ ਤਕਨੀਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਵੈਦਿਕ ਤਕਨੀਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਰਤੋਂ ਕਰਨੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ।

ਇਹ ਵਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਤੌਰ 'ਤੇ ਜਾਪਿੰਗ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਡੂੰਘਾ ਹੈ

ਵਾਹੇ-ਗੁਰੂ-ਉਉ ਉੱਚੀ ਉੱਚੀ

ਇਹ ਅੰਦਰ ਜਾਪ ਹੋਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ ਹੈ! ਅਤੇ ਪਿਆਰ ਦੇ ਸਲੀਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਪਿਘਲ ਗਿਆ.


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ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥

ਪਦ ਅਰਥ: ਜਤੁ = ਆਪਣੇ ਸਰੀਰਕ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਕਾਰਾਂ ਵਲੋਂ ਰੋਕ ਰੱਖਣਾ। ਪਾਹਾਰਾ = ਸੁਨਿਆਰੇ ਦੀ ਦੁਕਾਨ। ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ = ਸੁਨਿਆਰਾ। ਮਤਿ = ਅਕਲ। ਵੇਦ = ਗਿਆਨ। ਹਥੀਆਰੁ = ਹਥੌੜਾ।

ਨੋਟ: ਸ਼ਬਦ 'ਵੇਦ' ਹੇਠ-ਲਿਖੀਆਂ ਤੁਕਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਜਪੁਜੀ ਵਿਚ ਵਰਤਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ:

(1) ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ, ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ, ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ। (ਪਉੜੀ 5
(2) ਸੁਣਿਐ ਸਾਸਤ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਵੇਦ। (ਪਉੜੀ 9
(3) ਅਸੰਖ ਗਰੰਥ ਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦ ਪਾਠ। (ਪਉੜੀ 17
(4) ਓੜਕ ਓੜਕ ਭਾਲਿ ਥਕੇ, ਵੇਦ ਕਹਨਿ ਇਕ ਵਾਤ। (ਪਉੜੀ 22
(5) ਆਖਹਿ ਵੇਦ ਪਾਠ ਪੁਰਾਣ। (ਪਉੜੀ 26
(6) ਗਾਵਨਿ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਨਿ ਰਖੀਸਰ, ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵੇਦਾ ਨਾਲੇ। (ਪਉੜੀ 27

ਪਉੜੀ ਨੰਬਰ 5 ਵਾਲੀ ਤੁਕ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਬਾਕੀ ਸਭ ਪਉੜੀਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਸ਼ਬਦ 'ਵੇਦ' ਬਹੁ-ਵਚਨ ਵਿਚ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੱਤ ਦੇ ਧਰਮ ਪੁਸਤਕਾਂ 'ਵੇਦਾਂ' ਵੱਲ ਇਸ਼ਾਰਾ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਪਉੜੀ ਨੰਬਰ 5 ਵਿਚ 'ਵੇਦੰ' ਇਕ-ਵਚਨ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ 'ਗਿਆਨ'। ਇਸੇ ਤਰਾਂ 'ਵੇਦ ਹਥੀਆਰ' ਵਿਚ 'ਵੇਦ' ਇਕ-ਵਚਨ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਅਰਥ ਹੈ 'ਗਿਆਨ'। ਪਰ ਇਹ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਜਿੱਥੇ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਵੇਦੁ' ਇਕ-ਵਚਨ ਵਿਚ ਆਇਆ ਹੇ ਉੱਥੇ ਇਸ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ 'ਗਿਆਨ' ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਕਈ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਐਸੇ ਹਨ, ਜਿੱਥੇ 'ਵੇਦੁ' ਇਕ-ਵਚਨ ਹੁੰਦਿਆਂ ਭੀ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮਤ ਦਾ ਧਰਮ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਵੇਦ ਹੈ। ਪਰ ਪ੍ਰਕਰਣ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਚਾਰਨਾ ਭੀ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ।

ਇਸ ਪਉੜੀ ਵਿਚ 'ਜਤੁ', 'ਧੀਰਜ', 'ਮਤਿ', 'ਭਉ', 'ਤਪਤਾਉ', ਅਤੇ 'ਭਾਉ' ਭਾਵ-ਵਾਚਕ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਆਏ ਹਨ, ਇਸ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਵੇਦੁ' ਭੀ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਢੁਕਵਾਂ ('ਗਿਆਨ' ਅਰਥ) ਭਾਵ-ਵਾਚਕ ਹੀ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਅਰਥ: (ਜੇ) ਜਤ-ਰੂਪ ਦੁਕਾਨ (ਹੋਵੇ) , ਧੀਰਜ ਸੁਨਿਆਰਾ ਬਣੇ, ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਮੱਤ ਅਹਿਰਣ ਹੋਵੇ, (ਉਸ ਮਤ-ਅਹਿਰਣ ਉੱਤੇ) ਗਿਆਨ ਹਥੌੜਾ (ਵੱਜੇ) ।
 

Don_Punjab

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ਵੇਦ ਹਥੀਆਰ,
ਪਉੜੀ 37 ਵਿੱਚ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਪਉੜੀ 37 ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਕੀ ਦੱਸਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ।

ਇਹ ਅਧਿਆਤਮਿਕ ਹਥਿਆਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੀ ਹਵਾਲਾ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ! ਸਿਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਹਥਿਆਰ!
ਇਸ ਦਾ ਮਤਲਬ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਮਹਾਰਾਜ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਅਸੀਂ ਵੇਦਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਾਂਝੇ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਸਮਝੀਏ ਤਾਂ ਜੋ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼ਾਂ ਦੀ ਡੂੰਘਾਈ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕੇ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕਿ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਇਕ ਕਾਰਨ ਕਰਕੇ ਹਵਾਲਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ।

ਇਸ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਵਿਚੋਲਗੀ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ ਸਰੋਤ ਅਤੇ ਤਰੀਕੇ ਹਨ.
"ਬਹੁਤ ਸਾਰੇ"
ਨਿਤਨੇਮ ਜਪੁਜੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਪਉੜੀ 37- 38 ਵਿੱਚ।
ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਤਕਨੀਕ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਸਹੀ ਨਾਪ ਜਾਪ ਦਾ।
ਉਹ ਹਵਾਲੇ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕਿ
"ਨਾਨਕ ਕਥਨਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਾਰਿ ||੩੭||"

ਇਹ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਕੋਈ ਆਸਾਨ ਵਿਸ਼ਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ, ਖਾਸ ਤੌਰ 'ਤੇ 500 ਸਾਲ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ, 500 ਸਾਲਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਪੀੜ੍ਹੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਛੱਡ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਜਾਵੇ।

ਵੇਦ ਹਥੀਆਰ ਦਾ ਵਿਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ ਵੇਦਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਛੁਪੇ ਅਧਿਆਤਮਿਕ ਹਥਿਆਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੀ ਹਵਾਲਾ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਹਥਿਆਰ
*ਚੱਕਰ ਊਰਜਾ ਕੇਂਦਰਾਂ ਵਾਂਗ,
* ਜਿਵੇਂ ਨਾਡਜ਼ - ਊਰਜਾ ਦੀਆਂ ਨਾੜੀਆਂ - ਬ੍ਰਹਿਮੰਡੀ ਚੇਤਨਾ
* ਦੀਪਾਂ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਅਗਨੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਦਾ ਤੱਤ - ਦਿਵਸ
* ਜਿਵੇਂ ਅਧਿਆਤਮਿਕ ਊਰਜਾ ਕੇਂਦਰ, ਜੋ ਅੰਦਰ ਸ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਦਾ ਸਰੋਤ ਹੈ!

ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਵੇਦਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਬਿਆਨ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ।
ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਵੈਦਿਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰ ਸਪਸ਼ਟ ਕਰਦੇ ਹੋਏ!

ਸਾਨੂੰ ਵੈਦਿਕ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਣ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਹੈ, ਤਾਂ ਹੀ ਅਸੀਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼ ਦੀ ਡੂੰਘਾਈ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਾਂ!

ਤਦ ਹੀ ਅਸੀਂ ਵੇਦ ਹਥੀਆਰ ਨਾਲ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਪ੍ਰਵੇਸ਼ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਾਂ। ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਅਸੀਂ ਪ੍ਰਕਿਰਿਆ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਜਦੋਂ ਸਾਡਾ ਸਾਹ ਰੁਕ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ,
ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਗਿਆਨ ਅਤੇ ਸਮਝ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾਂ. ਅਸੀਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਮਹੱਤਵਪੂਰਨ ਪਹਿਲੂਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਖਾਰਜ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੇ ਹਾਂ!

ਸਾਨੂੰ ਹਾਸਲ ਕਰਨ ਤੋਂ ਰੋਕਦਾ ਹੈ
& ਸਹਾਏ ਬਣਨਾ।

ਜੋ ਮੇਰੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦੀ ਲੁੱਟ ਹੈ!

ਧਿਆਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਵਿਧੀਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਣਨਾ ਬਹੁਤ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ। ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਸਿੱਖਿਆਵਾਂ ਦੀ ਡੂੰਘਾਈ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ
 

Don_Punjab

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Ved Hatheeaar,
in Pauri 37 in what is described before and there after pauri 37.

This also refers to Spiritual weapons! weapons of Meditation!
this means Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj wants us to also understand the common literature of the Vedas in order to graps the depth of there teachings as they have made reference to for a reason

In this world there are many sources and ways to mediate.
"soo many"
In pauri 37- 38 of Nitnem Japji Sahib.
Guru Nanak speaks about the technique. Of correct Naap Jaap.
they makes references such as
"Naanak kathnaa karrhaa saar. ||37||"

this is not a easy topic to explain, especially over 500 years ago, let alone to be passes down 500 years worth of generations.

the special mention of Ved Hatheeaar also refers to the spiritual weapons hidden in the vedas. weapons
*Like Chakras energy centers,
*like nads - nadies veins of energy- cosmic consciousness
* element of Agni Worship through Deepas - Divas
* like Spiritual energy centers, which is the source of creation within!

Guru Nanak Dev Ji is stating and refering to the Vedas.
Guru Nanak Dev ji Further clarifying the vedic scriptures!

we need to understand the vedic scriptures, only then can we graps the depth of Guru Nanaks Teaching!

Only then can we enter samadhi with Ved Hatheeaar. That way we understand the process when our breath stops,
Otherwise with out knowledge and understanding. we may dismiss very important aspects!

preventing us from gaining
& becoming Sahai.

which in my eyes is a robbery of life!

Its very essential to know the procedures of meditation. In order to obtain the depth of Guru Nanaks teachings
 

gjsingh

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"we need to understand the vedic scriptures, only then can we graps the depth of Guru Nanaks Teaching!"

Yet in the janam sakhis and other literature there are many descriptions of absolutely depraved and fallen people gaining instant enlightenment and sukh. So how can this be reconciled?

How about the many Pirs and so on that did not study the vedas and yet are acknowledged as truth bringers in light of their inclusion in the SGGS?
 

Don_Punjab

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"we need to understand the vedic scriptures, only then can we graps the depth of Guru Nanaks Teaching!"

Yet in the janam sakhis and other literature there are many descriptions of absolutely depraved and fallen people gaining instant enlightenment and sukh. So how can this be reconciled?

How about the many Pirs and so on that did not study the vedas and yet are acknowledged as truth bringers in light of their inclusion in the SGGS?
Absolutely!!! Guru Nanak Dev Ji's says there are sooo many, so ways so many styles...ect.
JAP JI Nitnem
JUUPU JI
kaytee-aa surtee sayvak kaytay naanak ant naa ant. ||35||
How many are (countless) the practitioners of focusing attention on God and how
many are (numberless) devoted to the Divine service? Nanak, there is no limit to
all such things (the Creation). ||35||


Guru Nanak Dev Ji has explained just by meditating on Naam, knowledge of the world is gained and manifested
JAP JI Nitnem
JUUPU JI
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suni-ai saasat simrit vayd.
By hearing the Lord's Name, the Shastras, Simritis and Vedas came into being.
(By listening to the Name of God, one gains the knowledge in these Holy Books.
One attains the knowledge of the worldly things - body, soul, and God). The
Shastar – Shastras, six books of the Hindu philosophy. Samritis - 27 books of the
Hindu ceremonial procedures. Veds – Vedas, four Hindu ancient books.

Yet this does not excuse the fact, knowledge is knowledge if you want to go indepth, if you want your Til to be Vadi-aa-ee. There are procedures!

You don't have to! Le-kin it's recommended!

JAP JI Nitnem
JUUPU JI
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kaytay moorakh khaahee khaahi.
Many such fools (though deny, take Boons from God) keep using His Gifts.

In Sikh.we have Maha Bal sooras we also have celibate. 2 different extremes from different sides of the equation.

You do as please!

For those looking for it, it needs to be made available.
Personal opinions should remain personal it should not be a community whole aspect.

In this situation you loose a entire community, with one person's misunderstood perspective.

Guru Nanak Dev ji, there actions and Teachings speak for them self. Muddy the water as they please. The teaching and lessons will not change! You cannot hide Ek.
 
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This really takes the crown as far as ridiculous comparisons are concerned. This is why etymology is necessary in comprehending the words of the Guru Granth Sahib otherwise we end up attempting to shoehorn Sikhi into obsolete theologies it has no relation to. The Vedas are four archaic texts and the Op will be surprised to learn that no, they do not emphasize meditation per se after the initial stages. In fact, many like Shankaracharya who is believed to have exerted influence over their formation declared meditation and a sentient God useless concepts.

Also, contrary to modern Bollywood tropes, a majority of the Vedic sages who followed the Vedas were rarely meditative often preferring renunciation and uselessly wandering from jungle to jungle much like the Siddhs Guru Nanak criticises in the Siddh Gosht. There is a certain nuance to comprehending Gurbani and it lies in the spellings used. The term ਬੇਦ with the English equivalent of a 'B' refers to the four texts known as the Vedas in Punjabi ergo 'Bedis' i.e. the masters of the Bedas. The term ਵੇਦ refers to knowledge in the general sense. Due to the influence of Hindi, the B is mistakenly supplanted with a V confusing distinctions but longtime readers of Gurbani can differentiate between both based on terminology alone.

There is no concept of 'Ved Hatheyar' in the Vedas. Nor does Gurbani clarify Ved Hatheyar to mean what OP is asserting. Even when we see other pauris such as 'Asankh Granth Mukh Ved Paath' they do not speak of the Vedas but 'Multitude of scriptures whose knowledge is recited verbatim.' The main point being made in both this Pauri and the Pauri Op is discussing is that acquiring knowledge is useless if it is not used. Meditation provides no knowledge.

ਗਿਆਨੁ ਨ ਗਲੀਈ ਢੂਢੀਐ ਕਥਨਾ ਕਰੜਾ ਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਰਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਹੋਰ ਹਿਕਮਤਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥੨॥

“Divine wisdom is unattainable through discussion alone and a strenuous effort is required to obtain it. Only when our actions match with what we profess to live by do we acquire anything, otherwise all other guile is counterproductive.”

-Guru Granth Sahib, 465.
 

Don_Punjab

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This really takes the crown as far as ridiculous comparisons are concerned. This is why etymology is necessary in comprehending the words of the Guru Granth Sahib otherwise we end up attempting to shoehorn Sikhi into obsolete theologies it has no relation to. The Vedas are four archaic texts and the Op will be surprised to learn that no, they do not emphasize meditation per se after the initial stages. In fact, many like Shankaracharya who is believed to have exerted influence over their formation declared meditation and a sentient God useless concepts.

Also, contrary to modern Bollywood tropes, a majority of the Vedic sages who followed the Vedas were rarely meditative often preferring renunciation and uselessly wandering from jungle to jungle much like the Siddhs Guru Nanak criticises in the Siddh Gosht. There is a certain nuance to comprehending Gurbani and it lies in the spellings used. The term ਬੇਦ with the English equivalent of a 'B' refers to the four texts known as the Vedas in Punjabi ergo 'Bedis' i.e. the masters of the Bedas. The term ਵੇਦ refers to knowledge in the general sense. Due to the influence of Hindi, the B is mistakenly supplanted with a V confusing distinctions but longtime readers of Gurbani can differentiate between both based on terminology alone.

There is no concept of 'Ved Hatheyar' in the Vedas. Nor does Gurbani clarify Ved Hatheyar to mean what OP is asserting. Even when we see other pauris such as 'Asankh Granth Mukh Ved Paath' they do not speak of the Vedas but 'Multitude of scriptures whose knowledge is recited verbatim.' The main point being made in both this Pauri and the Pauri Op is discussing is that acquiring knowledge is useless if it is not used. Meditation provides no knowledge.

ਗਿਆਨੁ ਨ ਗਲੀਈ ਢੂਢੀਐ ਕਥਨਾ ਕਰੜਾ ਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਰਮਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਹੋਰ ਹਿਕਮਤਿ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥੨॥

“Divine wisdom is unattainable through discussion alone and a strenuous effort is required to obtain it. Only when our actions match with what we profess to live by do we acquire anything, otherwise all other guile is counterproductive.”

-Guru Granth Sahib, 465.

Well, Between 1695 and 1703 Guru Gobind Singh had poets, from his court of 52 poets. Translate the Vedas The Gita and other Hindu text into Punjabi for locals. So they could learn and gain a education.
This Account is from Bhai Nand Lal ji a poet in there court.

If the Vedas didn't have any context then why would Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj have his poets translate the vedas and other scriptures into Punjabi??


Oddly enough Jaap Sahib written by Das Meh Patshai.
Correlates with Rug Veda one of the 4 Vedas. To such an extent I will be further advocating to Add Jaap Sahib to Rug Veda.

As the one thing Hinduism is lacking is direct unaudited teachings of BHAGWAN. This is where Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj's teachings come into play. This should be later be added to the Hinduism itinerary. You cannot deny any Hindu from accepting Guru Nanak Dev ji as their Guru.
Furthermore if Guru Nanak Teaches teachings to Hindu Pandits. That means they must understand Hindu Teachings before they teach the teacher correct!

In fact Guru Nanak Dev Ji's teachings will further be & already are added to many itineraries
Islamic Itineraries
Jewish Itineraries
Christian itineraries
Catholic Itineraries
Jamaica Christian Itineraries... ect.

Folks come quick to bash the comparison of Hinduism to Sikhism. Perhaps you forget who the founder of Sikhism is?
Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj. Who teaches the teachings of Ek Om-Kar (Ek On kar- translated)

Meaning one creator. ONE NESS
ONE WHOLE!
ONE WAHEGURU!
NOT 2 SEPARATE...

Where in Sikhi does it refer to creating division ? Between Sikhs and Hindu? It doesn't say that.
Yet quite clearly in the daily prayers Hindu God's and Goddess are mentioned!!

Last I checked all Sikhs come from Hindus. How did we not inherent there teachings? When they themselves took up Khalsa.
Prior to Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj Initiating the Khalsa! In 1699 all were considered Hindu! Or Muslim

Even though Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj Stated there is no Hindu No Muslim!
We are the children of the One creator God!

Understand the Teachings.
Any bit of knowledge helps further your understanding! Knowledge should never be written off! In any circumstance

Even if is call The Hindu Vedas!
 

gjsingh

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Nanak's unparalleled agape (benign love for all humankind) is only matched by the the universality of his message. His mastery of the particularities of Hindu and Islamic philosophy were adroitly utilized by him to express his message to the peoples to whom he preached. And why shouldn't he have done so? Whereas the Vedas were meant for the people of the Indo-Aryan patrimony, and the Quran is meant for Semitic sons of Abraham, Nanak's message is for all humankind.

Hypothetically, is there any question about Nanak's ability to preach to any given people in the terms that they would have understood at such time? That he would preach to the Natives of the new world in terms of the "Great Father Spirit"? Or, indeed, to the English, French, and Germans, in Christian idioms familiar to those peoples?

I am thoroughly convinced that Nanak's message is qualitatively different, and substantially superior, to all those that came before it. True, India has pride of place as the cradle of Sikhi til date. But what will this mean, practically speaking, a millenia or two hence? Again, Nanak is for all humankind.

It cannot seriously be argued that the Rig Veda, for example, is coterminous and synonymous with Sikhi philosophy. The Rig Veda is an expression of a sociological and religious context which had passed on from the world stage thousands of years before Nanak's birth. Mohenjadaro is long gone, yet Sikhism is alive and well. Where are the animal sacrifices in Sikhism? Where is the equivalent in Sikhism to the purported "Soma" sacrament found in the Vedas?

As opposed to the mysterious rites of a dead people, the Sikhi way of worship is a living, breathing tradition. Nanak tells us, in contrast to the Vedas, that our "Aarti" can never be lost, so long as the world continues to exist, and there is a human left to perceive it:

ਗਗਨ ਮੈ ਥਾਲੁ ਰਵਿ ਚੰਦੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਬਨੇ ਤਾਰਿਕਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਜਨਕ ਮੋਤੀ
गगन मै थालु रवि चंदु दीपक बने तारिका मंडल जनक मोती ॥
Gagan mai thāl rav cẖanḏ ḏīpak bane ṯārikā mandal janak moṯī.
Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls.
ਧੂਪੁ ਮਲਆਨਲੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਚਵਰੋ ਕਰੇ ਸਗਲ ਬਨਰਾਇ ਫੂਲੰਤ ਜੋਤੀ ॥੧॥
धूपु मलआनलो पवणु चवरो करे सगल बनराइ फूलंत जोती ॥१॥
Ḏẖūp mal▫ānlo pavaṇ cẖavro kare sagal banrā▫e fūlanṯ joṯī. ||1||
The fragrance of sandalwood in the air is the temple incense, and the wind is the fan. All the plants of the world are the altar flowers in offering to You, O Luminous Lord. ||1||
ਕੈਸੀ ਆਰਤੀ ਹੋਇ
कैसी आरती होइ ॥
Kaisī ārṯī ho▫e.
What a beautiful Aartee, lamp-lit worship service this is!
ਭਵ ਖੰਡਨਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਆਰਤੀ
भव खंडना तेरी आरती ॥
Bẖav kẖandnā ṯerī ārṯī.
O Destroyer of Fear, this is Your Ceremony of Light.
 

Don_Punjab

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Nanak's unparalleled agape (benign love for all humankind) is only matched by the the universality of his message. His mastery of the particularities of Hindu and Islamic philosophy were adroitly utilized by him to express his message to the peoples to whom he preached. And why shouldn't he have done so? Whereas the Vedas were meant for the people of the Indo-Aryan patrimony, and the Quran is meant for Semitic sons of Abraham, Nanak's message is for all humankind.

Hypothetically, is there any question about Nanak's ability to preach to any given people in the terms that they would have understood at such time? That he would preach to the Natives of the new world in terms of the "Great Father Spirit"? Or, indeed, to the English, French, and Germans, in Christian idioms familiar to those peoples?

I am thoroughly convinced that Nanak's message is qualitatively different, and substantially superior, to all those that came before it. True, India has pride of place as the cradle of Sikhi til date. But what will this mean, practically speaking, a millenia or two hence? Again, Nanak is for all humankind.

It cannot seriously be argued that the Rig Veda, for example, is coterminous and synonymous with Sikhi philosophy. The Rig Veda is an expression of a sociological and religious context which had passed on from the world stage thousands of years before Nanak's birth. Mohenjadaro is long gone, yet Sikhism is alive and well. Where are the animal sacrifices in Sikhism? Where is the equivalent in Sikhism to the purported "Soma" sacrament found in the Vedas?

As opposed to the mysterious rites of a dead people, the Sikhi way of worship is a living, breathing tradition. Nanak tells us, in contrast to the Vedas, that our "Aarti" can never be lost, so long as the world continues to exist, and there is a human left to perceive it:

ਗਗਨ ਮੈ ਥਾਲੁ ਰਵਿ ਚੰਦੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਬਨੇ ਤਾਰਿਕਾ ਮੰਡਲ ਜਨਕ ਮੋਤੀ
गगन मै थालु रवि चंदु दीपक बने तारिका मंडल जनक मोती ॥
Gagan mai thāl rav cẖanḏ ḏīpak bane ṯārikā mandal janak moṯī.
Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls.
ਧੂਪੁ ਮਲਆਨਲੋ ਪਵਣੁ ਚਵਰੋ ਕਰੇ ਸਗਲ ਬਨਰਾਇ ਫੂਲੰਤ ਜੋਤੀ ॥੧॥
धूपु मलआनलो पवणु चवरो करे सगल बनराइ फूलंत जोती ॥१॥
Ḏẖūp mal▫ānlo pavaṇ cẖavro kare sagal banrā▫e fūlanṯ joṯī. ||1||
The fragrance of sandalwood in the air is the temple incense, and the wind is the fan. All the plants of the world are the altar flowers in offering to You, O Luminous Lord. ||1||
ਕੈਸੀ ਆਰਤੀ ਹੋਇ
कैसी आरती होइ ॥
Kaisī ārṯī ho▫e.
What a beautiful Aartee, lamp-lit worship service this is!
ਭਵ ਖੰਡਨਾ ਤੇਰੀ ਆਰਤੀ
भव खंडना तेरी आरती ॥
Bẖav kẖandnā ṯerī ārṯī.
O Destroyer of Fear, this is Your Ceremony of Light.
Absolute Non sense!

Again for those who are looking for more depth this is the route. That's why the vedas was translated into Punjabi. By Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

There's celestial weapons in there! Which obviously you have no knowledge of! Otherwise you wouldn't say what your saying!
Aside from the jewels of meditation along with ancient techniques....
Inorder to apply the techniques of Jap Ji Sahib Pauri 37. U need knowledge of meditation! Hindu teachings will help u graps the technique.
When only then can Guru Nanak Technique be utilized to the highest efficiency.

The message is hidden in the depth of meaning.


For example!

Rehras
raamkalee mehlaa teeja anand:

saachaa naam mayraa aadhaaro.

To the average there is nothing more than what is said! I will tie this in further into the message.

Your response

"the Quran is meant for Semitic sons of Abraham, Nanak's message is for all humankind."

Absolute Non sense. All where Hindu Even Muslims

Let me break it down for you

Abraham is Guru Nanaks Grandfather.
Guru Nanak is Jesus's Grandfather
-Jesus Grandfathers name is Jacob!
Jacobs well is known as the Jacobs Fountain. Also know as the well of Sychar!

(THE SAMRATH WOMEN TOLD JESUS JACOB GAVE THEM THE WELL)
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Guru Nanak is Sychar
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Guru Nanak is the Sumrath Swami!! Which he states in Rehras Sahib



sabhnaa galaa samrath su-aamee so ki-o manaho visaaray.

saachay saahibaa ki-aa naahee ghar tayrai.

Guru Nanak Confirms he is Jacob Jesus Grandfather. The Grandson of Abraham or A-Brahmin

It is all Hindu my friendddddd

... there's more references.. enjoy. When you listen to Rehras you will find it!

Furthermore. Hinduism stretches back over 100 000 years.
Islam stretches back to Guru Nanak Dev ji Grandfather!!

before Islam all where Hindu!!
Islam took the Hindu Symbol turned it sideways and called it Allah!!

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The Quran even states. The Islamic teachings are from Hind!! Thier Prub states:
I am Arab but Arab is not in me!
I am not in Hind but Hind is in me!!

Hands down all of islam is from Hinduism!
To further understand there Quran in depth they need the teachings of Hindu wisdom.

Thats Why Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj says
In Chaupai.:

raam reheem puraan kuraan anaek kehai(n) mat ayk n maanayo ||

Rama and Raheem- the Hindu Puran and the Muslim Quran.. We call it all ONE - (ek om kar.)
Yet we don't see it as ONE!!!

sRI Aspwn ikRpw qumrI kir mY n khXo sB qoih bKwnXo ]

sree asapaan kripaa thumaree kar mai n kehayo sabh thohi bakhaanayo ||

0 Supreme Sword, please bless me with Your Mercy, It is not I who speak, but You who
speaks through me.



GuruGobindSinghJiMaharaj makes references to Waheguru asking for this line to be wrote. It is not the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. It is the Words of Waheguru!!

Of course, because during the era of the Guru's people listened!!

In today's day most Punjabi are sitting with their hands out to Islam taking money to destroy Sikhi!!!!!!****


..... thats for another time my frienddd


At one point the whole world was Hindu!
From India all the way to Mexico!
The Mayan civilization has Hindu Temples
present umongst the ancient Mayan ruins!

Ramayan - Mayan...

The whole world was Hindu... eventually Slang took over new languages where formed.
Teachings where misinterpreted.. & new teachings were born!


Just as I have shown you there is a hidden world within the words. Only those with understanding, will be able to graps the teachings.

If you do not understand it. Don't stop others from trying to understand it!
 

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Garry D

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Where are the moderators? Why aren't these sanatani propaganda posts removed from forum? This is not a debate, it's a blatant attack on Sikhi.
 

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