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Gurbani (14-53)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
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Gurbani (557-564)
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Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
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Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
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<blockquote data-quote="seeker3k" data-source="post: 115759" data-attributes="member: 6459"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">How many gods are there?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I do not understand what is going on in Malaysia. Why there is a need to put Allah in other religion. Are the people there being forced to say Allah. I know the Government in Malaysia is Muslim but are they forcing Sikh,Hindu Christian Jews to say Allah?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Most religions that I have studied believes in one God. It is our interoperation what we think religion have more then one God. We are looking at them from bias point of view.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Jews have one God they call it Jehovah. This God do not take birth. It does not have any shape or body. Jews have no idol picture that they worship. Jews had many prophets but they were not gods. What we read in Toras are man made stories. What we hear or read is not what the Jews believe.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Christian also has one God his name is also Jehovah. It is our lack of knowledge that we think Jesus is God. God of Christian do not have wife. That god also do not take birth or have any body or shape. As the story goes. It was an angle from God who pregnant Mary. Who was virgin? The child she gave birth was called son of God ( see Hindism future post ). Christian that time did not call God as God. God is English word which came long after the Jesus was on earth.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Muslim believes in one God. They call it Allah. I think it was Muhammad who called it is Allah. It is also called Khudah. Allah was not called in Islam only in Mohammedanism. Islam is not Muslim. Mohammed took ideas from here and there and came up with his own version of God which he called Allah. It was when the Mongols conquered Mohammedan and they accepted it their religion. Then it became a religion. They saw it was the best way to control people and give them the power. They pushed it on to masses. They spread it by sword not by peace. Women had and still have no rights in Islam. No matter how they justify it. But Islam is here and not going to go away. We have to accept it and learn to live with it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">They are changing but not as much it need to.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Hindus also believe in one God. It is called Satha Shiv. It is written in Vedas and SGGS too. Muhrakh think mahadev is satha Shiv. Brahma,Vishu,Shivji are the devtas not God. They are just like other devtas. Brahma is the creator, Vishu is preserver, Shivji is the destroyer. There was not any physical person as devtas. It is just a theory not real. That satha Shiv is not born do not have body it is consider power. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sikhs claim to have only one God. We call it Waheguru. The meaning of Wahe Guru is not God. It is guru who remove darkness and show us the truth.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Balhari gur apne jin mans se devte kiae, shin na lagi bar. It was common at the time of Nanak to call god as hari or many other names. Nanak never used the word waheguru..</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Why we chaned it from hari to waheguru? We want to have our own identity. We have to be different from Hindus. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now some of us are saying it is ok to call Allah for the Sikhs. There has to be some politic reason behind it. It may be Muslim are supporting us to fight for Khalistan. Pakistan was the first to recognize Sikh marriage act in Pakistan. We fail to se what is going on here. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The real problem is when we claim that name we use is the true name. Religion have divided us not united us. We all justify by blaming others. What difference will it make to God what name we use. SGGS “ bada bole bada no hoe”.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">seeker</span></span></p><p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seeker3k, post: 115759, member: 6459"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]How many gods are there?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I do not understand what is going on in Malaysia. Why there is a need to put Allah in other religion. Are the people there being forced to say Allah. I know the Government in Malaysia is Muslim but are they forcing Sikh,Hindu Christian Jews to say Allah?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Most religions that I have studied believes in one God. It is our interoperation what we think religion have more then one God. We are looking at them from bias point of view.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Jews have one God they call it Jehovah. This God do not take birth. It does not have any shape or body. Jews have no idol picture that they worship. Jews had many prophets but they were not gods. What we read in Toras are man made stories. What we hear or read is not what the Jews believe.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Christian also has one God his name is also Jehovah. It is our lack of knowledge that we think Jesus is God. God of Christian do not have wife. That god also do not take birth or have any body or shape. As the story goes. It was an angle from God who pregnant Mary. Who was virgin? The child she gave birth was called son of God ( see Hindism future post ). Christian that time did not call God as God. God is English word which came long after the Jesus was on earth.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Muslim believes in one God. They call it Allah. I think it was Muhammad who called it is Allah. It is also called Khudah. Allah was not called in Islam only in Mohammedanism. Islam is not Muslim. Mohammed took ideas from here and there and came up with his own version of God which he called Allah. It was when the Mongols conquered Mohammedan and they accepted it their religion. Then it became a religion. They saw it was the best way to control people and give them the power. They pushed it on to masses. They spread it by sword not by peace. Women had and still have no rights in Islam. No matter how they justify it. But Islam is here and not going to go away. We have to accept it and learn to live with it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]They are changing but not as much it need to.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Hindus also believe in one God. It is called Satha Shiv. It is written in Vedas and SGGS too. Muhrakh think mahadev is satha Shiv. Brahma,Vishu,Shivji are the devtas not God. They are just like other devtas. Brahma is the creator, Vishu is preserver, Shivji is the destroyer. There was not any physical person as devtas. It is just a theory not real. That satha Shiv is not born do not have body it is consider power. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Sikhs claim to have only one God. We call it Waheguru. The meaning of Wahe Guru is not God. It is guru who remove darkness and show us the truth.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Balhari gur apne jin mans se devte kiae, shin na lagi bar. It was common at the time of Nanak to call god as hari or many other names. Nanak never used the word waheguru..[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Why we chaned it from hari to waheguru? We want to have our own identity. We have to be different from Hindus. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Now some of us are saying it is ok to call Allah for the Sikhs. There has to be some politic reason behind it. It may be Muslim are supporting us to fight for Khalistan. Pakistan was the first to recognize Sikh marriage act in Pakistan. We fail to se what is going on here. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The real problem is when we claim that name we use is the true name. Religion have divided us not united us. We all justify by blaming others. What difference will it make to God what name we use. SGGS “ bada bole bada no hoe”.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]seeker[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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