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Gurmat Vichaar
Gurmat Vichar - Discussions
Understanding The Journey Of The Devotees Of The Lord
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 92012" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>NamJap ji</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">To me this is the key sentence in the response of your friend.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">To be illiterate is fine, because it is humility and surrender to the God that you don't know enough to obstruct His light with your material misunderstanding.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Kabir intends us to grasp that whatever intellect tells us to expect contradicts knowledge of the Divine. As your friend is saying, material understanding is "material misunderstanding" when seeking God. Kabir also says....</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਬਿਨੁ ਬਾਸਨ ਖੀਰੁ ਬਿਲੋਵੈ ॥੨॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">bin baasan kheer bilovai ||2||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Without a </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">churn, the milk is </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">churned. ||2|</span>|</p><p></p><p>and later in the same shabad</p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/bhagats/bhagatkabir.htm" target="_blank">http://www.searchgurbani.com/bhagats/bhagatkabir.htm</a> ਪੈਡੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਬਾਟ ਘਨੇਰੀ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">paiddae bin baatt ghanaeree ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Without travelling, a long journey is made.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਾਟ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">bin sathigur baatt n paaee ||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Without the True Guru, the path is not found.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸਮਝਾਈ ॥੩॥੩॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">kahu kabeer samajhaaee ||3||3||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Says Kabeer, see this, and understand. ||3||3||</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">The intellect interprets cause and effect or describes material reality, making predictions, finding patterns, creating concepts and theories. But in the world of spirit one's journey does not involve travel in our familiar dimensions of material knowledge. The spirit is churned without a churn. These contradictions are deliberate. As you can see in the shabad that you quoted </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਕਬੀਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸੰਸਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਦੂਰਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6" target="_blank">ਕਾਗਦ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਦੇਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਬਿਹਾਇ </a> ॥ </p><p>कबीर संसा दूरि करु कागद देह बिहाइ ॥ </p><p>Kabīr sansā ḏūr kar kāgaḏ ḏeh bihā▫e. </p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed">Kabeer, give up your skepticism; let your papers float away.</span> </p><p></p><p>All the products of intellect have to give way in surrender. Your friend writes in a very poetic way.</p><p></p><p>Thankx.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 92012, member: 35"] NamJap ji [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]To me this is the key sentence in the response of your friend.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=DarkGreen]To be illiterate is fine, because it is humility and surrender to the God that you don't know enough to obstruct His light with your material misunderstanding.[/COLOR] Kabir intends us to grasp that whatever intellect tells us to expect contradicts knowledge of the Divine. As your friend is saying, material understanding is "material misunderstanding" when seeking God. Kabir also says.... [/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]ਬਿਨੁ ਬਾਸਨ ਖੀਰੁ ਬਿਲੋਵੈ ॥੨॥ bin baasan kheer bilovai ||2|| Without a [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]churn, the milk is [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]churned. ||2|[/COLOR]| and later in the same shabad [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/bhagats/bhagatkabir.htm"][/URL] ਪੈਡੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਬਾਟ ਘਨੇਰੀ ॥ paiddae bin baatt ghanaeree || Without travelling, a long journey is made. ਬਿਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਾਟ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ bin sathigur baatt n paaee || Without the True Guru, the path is not found. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਸਮਝਾਈ ॥੩॥੩॥ kahu kabeer samajhaaee ||3||3|| Says Kabeer, see this, and understand. ||3||3|| The intellect interprets cause and effect or describes material reality, making predictions, finding patterns, creating concepts and theories. But in the world of spirit one's journey does not involve travel in our familiar dimensions of material knowledge. The spirit is churned without a churn. These contradictions are deliberate. As you can see in the shabad that you quoted [/COLOR][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0"]ਕਬੀਰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE"]ਸੰਸਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਦੂਰਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"]ਕਰੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6"]ਕਾਗਦ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B9"]ਦੇਹ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"]ਬਿਹਾਇ [/URL] ॥ कबीर संसा दूरि करु कागद देह बिहाइ ॥ Kabīr sansā ḏūr kar kāgaḏ ḏeh bihā▫e. [COLOR=DarkRed]Kabeer, give up your skepticism; let your papers float away.[/COLOR] All the products of intellect have to give way in surrender. Your friend writes in a very poetic way. Thankx. [/QUOTE]
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