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<blockquote data-quote="Josh martin" data-source="post: 106351" data-attributes="member: 9038"><p>Lest we forget -- this is the commentary by Gyani ji that is the context for your/my comments. [/quote</p><p><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>Yes, lets make him the scapegoat.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span><span style="color: DarkGreen"> Kaur ji..not right on both accounts..sorry to say..</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">GURMATT of Guur <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a> ji is a Completely DIFFERENT APPROACH towards MERGER with the CREATOR.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">Gurmatt is NOT baout joining/uniting existing religions...its a Completley NEW APPROACH..a BRAND NEW approach.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">If we read the Sri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> Ji...and compare with the Bible.koran and other books we will quickly see the vast differences... </span>[/quote</p><p> </p><p> Quote:</p><p> Originally Posted by <strong>Josh martin</strong> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/14599-trouble-between-religions-6.html#post106344" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/webchat/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> </p><p> <em>Key: <em>Black is quotes from my last reply which she reply's to.</em></em></p><p> <em><em></em><em> <span style="color: Blue">B</span><span style="color: Blue">lue</span> Kaurji's reply to quotes, <span style="color: Red">Red</span> text is my reply to the blue reply</em>. Now I am <span style="color: DarkGreen">green.</span></em>[/quote<em></em></p><p> <em><em></em></em></p><p><em><em>"Let's look at the other portions of your comments</em></em></p><p><em><em>Gurmatt wasn't of <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> ji's. Its Dhur ki bhani ayi, being so its the original approach. <strong>If it was something <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> ji created himself </strong>"</em></em><em> </em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue">Who "created" it if <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> did not?</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"></span><span style="color: Red">Gupti bani pargat hoi. Gurbani is Aadh such/Jugadh such/Habai such. Always existed. <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak Dev</a> ji "pargat" Gurbani Akal purakh ki for everyone.</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen">Of course it always existed - however <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> gave voice to it in a time when many had forgotten that it existed. So in the instrumental sense he created it. Where does Gyani deny that? He does not. He indicates that Sikhi is different from other religions.</span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>By voicing, he delivered it, not created it. "Haon apa bol na janha, sab kaheya hukmai jio". In 10 jama of Guru Gobind singh ji, Shiri Guru Nanak dev ji states " Jo hum ko Permasher ucher hay, So narak jon meh pur hey" Guru ji calls himself sevak/lowly/nobody and connects us with Akal Purakh. </strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> <span style="color: Blue"> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue">Who said his "inspiration did not/does not originate from the Sat? </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red">Not only is it inspiration from Sat but is Sat in whole itself. It's puran bani, The original, not something new.</span></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen">What is your point? Where does Gyani say Gurbani is not pooran?</span></span></span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>This lil note "who says....sat" is added by you and my response was to your note.</strong></span></span></span></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue">Or are we arguing that <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a>'s Banee was found in a mystical moment under a rock and it was marked with the signature of God,</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"></span><span style="color: Red"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> ji recieved Bhani from DHur/Suchkhand, instead of under a rock. It's not only marked by signature of God, it is Bani of God himself.</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen">What again is your point? Who said otherwise? You are the master of straw=man arguments. <img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <strong><span style="color: Magenta"></span></strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong><span style="color: Magenta">*blushes* you said "who creaeted gurbani if Guru Nanak did not. or are we arguing.... sig of God"</span></strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong><span style="color: Magenta">I state that Guru Ji <u>recieved </u>Bani from Dhur, vs created it.</span></strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><strong><span style="color: Magenta"></span></strong></span> </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"></span><span style="color: Blue"> <span style="color: Red">Anyone who gets on the "Jahaz" ship of bani will reach sachkhand. <span style="color: DarkGreen">Only with His Grace. <strong><span style="color: Magenta">Bolo ji Waheguru.</span></strong></span></span><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue">on loan for <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> to share with humanity - or some kind of Indiana Jones story like that?</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red">Kabir ji says "Gur Dini kabir ko, Kabir dini jis mastak bhag"Nothing in Gursikhi is loan or earned, its daan/daat, Given to <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak Dev</a> ji. </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen">Who said not? If anything one is saying -- no! it is not learned or earned but graced. Straw-man argument again . </span><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></em>[/quote</p><p><em> <span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>Graced aka given/daan/dat not created.</strong></span></em></p><p> <em></em></p><p> <em></em></p><p><em>"It would be new. Gurbani is the matt of Nirankar himself thus always orignal and everlasting."</em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue">Guru Bani is the Guru's Banee and Guru matth is the Guru's Wisdom, and for Guru <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikhs</a> the Guru Bani and the Guru matth is found in the Sri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a>. </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red">Guru Bani is the Guru's Bannee which Guru <em><u>recieved from Sachkhand/Dhur, </u></em>is the Guru's Wisdom, and for Guru <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikhs</a> the Guru Bani,<u><em> bani of nirankar</em></u>, and the Guru Mathh is what entire <u><em>Shri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> consists of</em></u>. <span style="color: DarkGreen">You are repeating yourself. So therefore I have no need to repeat myself.</span></span></span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <span style="color: Magenta"><strong></strong></span></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>The difference is the underline text, "recieved from Sachkahnd/Dhur etc.</strong></span></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></span> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue">Anyone who chooses otherwise is following some other mattth, as a member of some other panth, which they are quite free to do.</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red">Plz define what you mean by otherwise. Seems like your repeated what I said in different context.</span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen">Sant mat, quranic mat, kabbalistic mat, and so forth.</span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"> </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"><span style="color: Magenta"><strong>Raam jo data naam ko, Sant Japave naam. Tu santan ka sant tere. </strong></span> </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"To go in lil more detail, Gurbani is Nirankar's/DHur ki bani which came Via Gurujis from Dhur/suchkhand"</em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen">One thing that begins to strike me here is that you may be reifying sachkhand -- do you think it is a geographical location, or planetary perchance? <img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/eek.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></em>[/quote</p><p><em><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <strong><span style="color: Magenta">SachKhand/Dhur is where gupti bani resides and brought to us by Guru Nanak dev ji, note;not created anew as a Brand new approach.</span></strong></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span> </em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue">And your point is?</span> <img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"> Point being,<span style="color: Lime"> <span style="color: Magenta">Giani Jarnail Singh ji states that Gurbani is brand new approach and is not about joinin/uniting other religions</span></span><span style="color: Magenta">. </span>In answer to which I stated my opinion: Gurbani has always existed, does exist and will always exist, nothing brand new. Gurbani diminishes/erases/</span><span style="color: Red">transcends</span><span style="color: Red"> petty differences between races/religions etc and is "sanjhi" for all humankind. Shri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> ji are Jagat/world guru. Guru Bani guru, guru hai bani, Goes for everyone. </span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Depends completely as I said above on your context for devotion. If you are a <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> -- Gurbani is Sri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> -- not the Vedas, the Quran, the Bible, the Kabbalah. Though there may be ideas in common, there are also ideas that are dramatically divergent. Including the nature of God. Including the way one relates to God. Including the relationship of God with Creation. Including the way one prays. Including what to pray for/about. Do not oversimplify in the interests of creating ONENESS. Uniformity and Unity are not the same. <img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> The move to ONENESS always makes me suspicious -- as if someone is trying to undermine someone else's beliefs.</span></span></em>[/quote<em><span style="color: Red"></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><strong><span style="color: Magenta">I</span><span style="color: Magenta"> said gurbani is sanjhi as in In Gurbani Guruji teach Muslims how to be muslims, pundits how to be a pundit, this quote which you so heartly like</span></strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><strong><span style="color: Magenta">"So pundit jo mun probodeh, ram nam atam meh sodeh", </span></strong></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red"><strong><span style="color: Magenta">baisno, jati, jogi, sikhs, etc. <u>Gurbani is the original Mool of everything</u> and is sanjhi updesh for everyone. It's not newly created or seprate. </span></strong></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: Red"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Red">This is <em>always</em> fun. If possible, keep quotes in original order posted. </span></em></p><p> <span style="color: DarkGreen">It is always amusing ....</span>[/quote</p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"> <span style="color: Magenta"><strong>I should be getting paid for this :welcome:</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Josh martin, post: 106351, member: 9038"] Lest we forget -- this is the commentary by Gyani ji that is the context for your/my comments. [/quote [COLOR=Magenta][B]Yes, lets make him the scapegoat. [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] Kaur ji..not right on both accounts..sorry to say.. GURMATT of Guur [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL] ji is a Completely DIFFERENT APPROACH towards MERGER with the CREATOR. Gurmatt is NOT baout joining/uniting existing religions...its a Completley NEW APPROACH..a BRAND NEW approach. If we read the Sri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] Ji...and compare with the Bible.koran and other books we will quickly see the vast differences... [/COLOR][/quote Quote: Originally Posted by [B]Josh martin[/B] [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interfaith-dialogues/14599-trouble-between-religions-6.html#post106344"][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/webchat/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL] [I]Key: [I]Black is quotes from my last reply which she reply's to. [/I][I] [COLOR=Blue]B[/COLOR][COLOR=Blue]lue[/COLOR] Kaurji's reply to quotes, [COLOR=Red]Red[/COLOR] text is my reply to the blue reply[/I]. Now I am [COLOR=DarkGreen]green.[/COLOR][/I][/quote[I] [I] "Let's look at the other portions of your comments Gurmatt wasn't of [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] ji's. Its Dhur ki bhani ayi, being so its the original approach. [B]If it was something [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] ji created himself [/B]"[/I][/I][I] [COLOR=Blue]Who "created" it if [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] did not? [/COLOR][COLOR=Red]Gupti bani pargat hoi. Gurbani is Aadh such/Jugadh such/Habai such. Always existed. [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak Dev[/URL] ji "pargat" Gurbani Akal purakh ki for everyone.[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen]Of course it always existed - however [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] gave voice to it in a time when many had forgotten that it existed. So in the instrumental sense he created it. Where does Gyani deny that? He does not. He indicates that Sikhi is different from other religions.[/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=DarkGreen] [COLOR=Magenta][B] By voicing, he delivered it, not created it. "Haon apa bol na janha, sab kaheya hukmai jio". In 10 jama of Guru Gobind singh ji, Shiri Guru Nanak dev ji states " Jo hum ko Permasher ucher hay, So narak jon meh pur hey" Guru ji calls himself sevak/lowly/nobody and connects us with Akal Purakh. [/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue] Who said his "inspiration did not/does not originate from the Sat? [COLOR=Red]Not only is it inspiration from Sat but is Sat in whole itself. It's puran bani, The original, not something new. [COLOR=DarkGreen]What is your point? Where does Gyani say Gurbani is not pooran?[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Red][COLOR=DarkGreen] [COLOR=Magenta][B] This lil note "who says....sat" is added by you and my response was to your note.[/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR] Or are we arguing that [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL]'s Banee was found in a mystical moment under a rock and it was marked with the signature of God, [/COLOR][COLOR=Red][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] ji recieved Bhani from DHur/Suchkhand, instead of under a rock. It's not only marked by signature of God, it is Bani of God himself. [COLOR=DarkGreen]What again is your point? Who said otherwise? You are the master of straw=man arguments. [IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF[/IMG][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF[/IMG][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF[/IMG][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=Red][COLOR=DarkGreen] [B][COLOR=Magenta] *blushes* you said "who creaeted gurbani if Guru Nanak did not. or are we arguing.... sig of God" I state that Guru Ji [U]recieved [/U]Bani from Dhur, vs created it. [/COLOR][/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=Blue] [COLOR=Red]Anyone who gets on the "Jahaz" ship of bani will reach sachkhand. [COLOR=DarkGreen]Only with His Grace. [B][COLOR=Magenta]Bolo ji Waheguru.[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=DarkGreen] [/COLOR] on loan for [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] to share with humanity - or some kind of Indiana Jones story like that?[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]Kabir ji says "Gur Dini kabir ko, Kabir dini jis mastak bhag"Nothing in Gursikhi is loan or earned, its daan/daat, Given to [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak Dev[/URL] ji. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen]Who said not? If anything one is saying -- no! it is not learned or earned but graced. Straw-man argument again . [/COLOR][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/WHISTLIN.GIF[/IMG][/I][/quote [I] [COLOR=Magenta][B] Graced aka given/daan/dat not created.[/B][/COLOR] "It would be new. Gurbani is the matt of Nirankar himself thus always orignal and everlasting." [COLOR=Blue]Guru Bani is the Guru's Banee and Guru matth is the Guru's Wisdom, and for Guru [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikhs[/URL] the Guru Bani and the Guru matth is found in the Sri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL]. [COLOR=Red]Guru Bani is the Guru's Bannee which Guru [I][U]recieved from Sachkhand/Dhur, [/U][/I]is the Guru's Wisdom, and for Guru [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikhs[/URL] the Guru Bani,[U][I] bani of nirankar[/I][/U], and the Guru Mathh is what entire [U][I]Shri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] consists of[/I][/U]. [COLOR=DarkGreen]You are repeating yourself. So therefore I have no need to repeat myself.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Red][COLOR=DarkGreen] [COLOR=Magenta][B] The difference is the underline text, "recieved from Sachkahnd/Dhur etc.[/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/COLOR] Anyone who chooses otherwise is following some other mattth, as a member of some other panth, which they are quite free to do.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Red]Plz define what you mean by otherwise. Seems like your repeated what I said in different context.[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen]Sant mat, quranic mat, kabbalistic mat, and so forth.[/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=DarkGreen] [COLOR=Magenta][B]Raam jo data naam ko, Sant Japave naam. Tu santan ka sant tere. [/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR] "To go in lil more detail, Gurbani is Nirankar's/DHur ki bani which came Via Gurujis from Dhur/suchkhand" [COLOR=DarkGreen]One thing that begins to strike me here is that you may be reifying sachkhand -- do you think it is a geographical location, or planetary perchance? [IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG][/COLOR][/I][/quote [I][COLOR=DarkGreen] [B][COLOR=Magenta]SachKhand/Dhur is where gupti bani resides and brought to us by Guru Nanak dev ji, note;not created anew as a Brand new approach.[/COLOR][/B] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]And your point is?[/COLOR] [IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=Red] Point being,[COLOR=Lime] [COLOR=Magenta]Giani Jarnail Singh ji states that Gurbani is brand new approach and is not about joinin/uniting other religions[/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Magenta]. [/COLOR]In answer to which I stated my opinion: Gurbani has always existed, does exist and will always exist, nothing brand new. Gurbani diminishes/erases/[/COLOR][COLOR=Red]transcends[/COLOR][COLOR=Red] petty differences between races/religions etc and is "sanjhi" for all humankind. Shri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] ji are Jagat/world guru. Guru Bani guru, guru hai bani, Goes for everyone. [COLOR=DarkGreen]Depends completely as I said above on your context for devotion. If you are a [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] -- Gurbani is Sri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] -- not the Vedas, the Quran, the Bible, the Kabbalah. Though there may be ideas in common, there are also ideas that are dramatically divergent. Including the nature of God. Including the way one relates to God. Including the relationship of God with Creation. Including the way one prays. Including what to pray for/about. Do not oversimplify in the interests of creating ONENESS. Uniformity and Unity are not the same. [IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] The move to ONENESS always makes me suspicious -- as if someone is trying to undermine someone else's beliefs.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][/quote[I][COLOR=Red] [B][COLOR=Magenta]I[/COLOR][COLOR=Magenta] said gurbani is sanjhi as in In Gurbani Guruji teach Muslims how to be muslims, pundits how to be a pundit, this quote which you so heartly like "So pundit jo mun probodeh, ram nam atam meh sodeh", baisno, jati, jogi, sikhs, etc. [U]Gurbani is the original Mool of everything[/U] and is sanjhi updesh for everyone. It's not newly created or seprate. [/COLOR][/B] This is [I]always[/I] fun. If possible, keep quotes in original order posted. [/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=DarkGreen]It is always amusing ....[/COLOR][/quote [COLOR=DarkGreen] [COLOR=Magenta][B]I should be getting paid for this :welcome:[/B][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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