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The Use Of Metaphor In Gurbani And How To Use That When Interpreting Shabads
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 155594" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Prakash.s.bagga ji thanks for your post. You obviously have studued Gurbani intimately and I bow before you for that.</p><p></p><p>I note the following for all's consideration:</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Guru Granth Sahib shabads are as follows (not my but info extracted from someone else):</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">2 verses - (dupadas), 608</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">3 verses - (tripade), 73</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><strong><span style="color: Blue">4 verses - (chaupadas), 1,255</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">5 verses - (panchpadas), 80</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">6 verses - (chhepedas), 11 verses</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">8 verses - (Ashtpadian), 311</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">16 verses - (sohilas), 62</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">In the Gurbani referred to we have the following,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"ਮਾਝ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਹਲਾ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੫</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਚਉਪਦੇ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Satnaam'"><span style="font-size: 10px">x</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥"</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">So even though it is written in</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਝ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(maajh) raag it is of the style </span></span></strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(chaupadas). </span>The four stanzas for me naturally are composed of to create a shabad hence there is a defined structure for understanding. Where the </span>"ਰਾਗੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਾਝ</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong><u><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਪਦੇ</span></u></strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੧</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਹਲਾ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੪" </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">gurbani ends and at the start of </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"ਮਾਝ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਹਲਾ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੫</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਚਉਪਦੇ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੧</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Satnaam'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> three </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਰਹਾਉ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(rahao) are used. ending at, </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"ਹਉ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘੋਲੀ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਜੀਉ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘੋਿਲ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਘੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਾਈ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਜਨ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਦਾਸ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਤੁਮਾਰੇ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਜੀਉ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਰਹਾਉ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੧</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 10px">੮</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥"</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Then no “Rahao” used to</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੩</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫੦</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px">॥. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p>In a way it actually forces us to not look for easy ways of study but always aware and without presumption way of study. Hence certain rules that have been created as short cuts (say "rahao" pungtee (line)) while may work many a times are also liable to fail.</p><p></p><p>Let me quote something that I recollect someone saying,</p><p></p><p>By the way this is nobody at spn but one of our acquaintances.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 155594, member: 14194"] Prakash.s.bagga ji thanks for your post. You obviously have studued Gurbani intimately and I bow before you for that. I note the following for all's consideration: [FONT=Tahoma]Guru Granth Sahib shabads are as follows (not my but info extracted from someone else):[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]2 verses - (dupadas), 608[/FONT][FONT=Tahoma] 3 verses - (tripade), 73 [B][COLOR=Blue]4 verses - (chaupadas), 1,255[/COLOR][/B] 5 verses - (panchpadas), 80 6 verses - (chhepedas), 11 verses 8 verses - (Ashtpadian), 311 16 verses - (sohilas), 62[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]In the Gurbani referred to we have the following, [/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]"ਮਾਝ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਮਹਲਾ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੫[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਚਉਪਦੇ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘਰ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Satnaam][SIZE=2]x[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥"[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]So even though it is written in[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਝ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=AnmolUniPr](maajh) raag it is of the style [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3](chaupadas). [/SIZE]The four stanzas for me naturally are composed of to create a shabad hence there is a defined structure for understanding. Where the [/FONT]"ਰਾਗੁ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਮਾਝ[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][B][U][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਪਦੇ[/FONT][/U][/B][/SIZE][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘਰ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ੁ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੧[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਮਹਲਾ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੪" [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]gurbani ends and at the start of [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]"ਮਾਝ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਮਹਲਾ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੫[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਚਉਪਦੇ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘਰ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ੁ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੧[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Satnaam][SIZE=2]"[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2] three [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਰਹਾਉ [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2](rahao) are used. ending at, [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]"ਹਉ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘੋਲੀ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਜੀਉ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘੋਿਲ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਘੁ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਮਾਈ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਜਨ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਨਾਨਕ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਦਾਸ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਤੁਮਾਰੇ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਜੀਉ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]ਰਹਾਉ[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੧[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][SIZE=2]੮[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥"[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=2]Then no “Rahao” used to[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੪੩[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੫੦[/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=2]॥. [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE] In a way it actually forces us to not look for easy ways of study but always aware and without presumption way of study. Hence certain rules that have been created as short cuts (say "rahao" pungtee (line)) while may work many a times are also liable to fail. Let me quote something that I recollect someone saying, By the way this is nobody at spn but one of our acquaintances. Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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