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The Real Meaning Of Ik Oankar?
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<blockquote data-quote="japjisahib04" data-source="post: 129517" data-attributes="member: 971"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First of all whether it is the meaning as the title is, or the pronunciation Dr Chahal is disputing. Dr Chahal is a very dedicated and well informed scholars but it is my personal feeling he is creating more controversies than solution. I use to argue with him but than decided not to waste my time as most of time it used to come out unproductive. I remember a story, once man came home very excited and stated to his family that today he had a million dollar bet with someone that rabbit has three legs and he is sure he will win the bet. His family members one by one explained to him that he will lose the bet as rabbit has four legs and not three. Upon his reassurance, when the family enquired to explain how he will win, he said he will lose only if he admits.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Now coming to the pronunciation of opening verse </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੴ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> he insists it should be pronouced as ek oh beant or anant due to open aura whereas everyone including myself pronouce it as ek aung kar, but he says it sound like ek Om whereas gurbani has clearly mentioned as ,’</span></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiSlim'"><strong> eykm eykMkwru inrwlw ]</strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong> Sri Guru Granth Sahib 838.19.</strong></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Thus he feels insecured as the name is derived from Sanskrit or is based on vedanta thus there is nothing new or unique in Guru sahib philosohy unless we address it as ek oh beant. ffice<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice" /><?"urn:<img src=" /></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The word kar has been used in gurbani at many places like, ‘</span></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiSlim'"><strong>sweI kwr kmwvxI Duir CofI iqMnY pwie ]</strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong> Sri Guru Granth Sahib.475.10 or </strong></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiSlim'"><strong>guir kihAw sw kwr kmwvhu </strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>]Sri Guru Granth Sahib.832.16. When we ponder over it, kar will give the meaning as His laws or Hukam also. Further, it is not M of Om but sound as ang or aungkar. So it makes the meaning clear that, 'There is One God and ang ang of my body is functioning under His Hukam'. In this way what have we taken from Hindus or Pandai. If we go by His argument then word satnaam, karta, purakh all these word are derived from sanskrit. Sanskrit was one of my subject which I studied. Have we started wearing the dhoti or started adopted Hindu rituals due to these words. Similarly there are many words in Guru Granths Sahib from Farsi. Did we started sunnat or adopted muslims way of life and so on?</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Best regards</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Mohinder Singh Sahni </strong></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="japjisahib04, post: 129517, member: 971"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal][SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]First of all whether it is the meaning as the title is, or the pronunciation Dr Chahal is disputing. Dr Chahal is a very dedicated and well informed scholars but it is my personal feeling he is creating more controversies than solution. I use to argue with him but than decided not to waste my time as most of time it used to come out unproductive. I remember a story, once man came home very excited and stated to his family that today he had a million dollar bet with someone that rabbit has three legs and he is sure he will win the bet. His family members one by one explained to him that he will lose the bet as rabbit has four legs and not three. Upon his reassurance, when the family enquired to explain how he will win, he said he will lose only if he admits.[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Now coming to the pronunciation of opening verse [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੴ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] he insists it should be pronouced as ek oh beant or anant due to open aura whereas everyone including myself pronouce it as ek aung kar, but he says it sound like ek Om whereas gurbani has clearly mentioned as ,’[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=AnmolLipiSlim][B] eykm eykMkwru inrwlw ][/B][/FONT][FONT=Arial][B] Sri Guru Granth Sahib 838.19.[/B][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] Thus he feels insecured as the name is derived from Sanskrit or is based on vedanta thus there is nothing new or unique in Guru sahib philosohy unless we address it as ek oh beant. ffice:office" /><?"urn:<img src=" />[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The word kar has been used in gurbani at many places like, ‘[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=AnmolLipiSlim][B]sweI kwr kmwvxI Duir CofI iqMnY pwie ][/B][/FONT][FONT=Arial][B] Sri Guru Granth Sahib.475.10 or [/B][/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipiSlim][B]guir kihAw sw kwr kmwvhu [/B][/FONT][FONT=Arial][B]]Sri Guru Granth Sahib.832.16. When we ponder over it, kar will give the meaning as His laws or Hukam also. Further, it is not M of Om but sound as ang or aungkar. So it makes the meaning clear that, 'There is One God and ang ang of my body is functioning under His Hukam'. In this way what have we taken from Hindus or Pandai. If we go by His argument then word satnaam, karta, purakh all these word are derived from sanskrit. Sanskrit was one of my subject which I studied. Have we started wearing the dhoti or started adopted Hindu rituals due to these words. Similarly there are many words in Guru Granths Sahib from Farsi. Did we started sunnat or adopted muslims way of life and so on?[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B]Best regards[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B]Mohinder Singh Sahni [/B][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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