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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="a muslim" data-source="post: 26860" data-attributes="member: 2992"><p><strong>regardless</strong> <strong>of what ideologies we subscribe to, treating each other with equal respect for being human beings is the absolute ground-root of starting any kind of discourse and harmonious interaction...and general brotherhood among <em>all</em> humans.</strong> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Brother, I couldn’t agree more. Reading another debate on this forum made me realise how easily people can become corrupted by romanticism. Reactionary, tribal, racist emotions clouding sight, some people clearly side step (move to another purpose) from the point of contention to hurt the recipient personally. I was aware of this before joining the forum, but having read your welcome replies and sincere posts in other discussions I feel I can talk to you, human to human about Sikhism. Thank you for your effort and time.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Sikhism is really more of a 'pantheistic' religion</strong>. <strong>He is both the created and the creator</strong>. <strong>He is One with all and all is One with him</strong>. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Guru Nänak - contrary to what some people will tell you - was a man</strong>. </p><p> </p><p><strong>The <em>mool mantra</em> states that every man has the potential to 'commune' with God because God is within every man.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> Ok, I’m sure you will have come across this before as it seems apparent enough. To get to the point, I want to address the apparent conflict in your writings – the man / God dichotomy. To save us both some time, I’m anticipating this discussion will reduce down to a debate concerning the law of non-contradiction. </p><p> </p><p> How can man pray to God when man is God? If God is within us then is there a part of us that isn’t God? The part which prays? The part which discovers God?</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Yes. God is inconceivable by human qualification.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Not only because we can't physically 'see' him as a discrete entity, but also because he is not in any way human.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> How did you arrive at these conclusions? If God is beyond all rationality, is there another means by which we can realise Him? If this is spirituality, then this is an internal process relative to each person, such a mechanism renders Sikhism completely esoteric, but this isn’t the case. Sikhs have a variety of external symbolic behaviours, yet Guru Nanak condemned ritualistic practices. It seems to me that the definitions of terms change according to the situation. Please do not take offence from these views. Make me understand.</p><p> </p><p> Thank you</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="a muslim, post: 26860, member: 2992"] [B]regardless[/B] [B]of what ideologies we subscribe to, treating each other with equal respect for being human beings is the absolute ground-root of starting any kind of discourse and harmonious interaction...and general brotherhood among [I]all[/I] humans.[/B] Brother, I couldn’t agree more. Reading another debate on this forum made me realise how easily people can become corrupted by romanticism. Reactionary, tribal, racist emotions clouding sight, some people clearly side step (move to another purpose) from the point of contention to hurt the recipient personally. I was aware of this before joining the forum, but having read your welcome replies and sincere posts in other discussions I feel I can talk to you, human to human about Sikhism. Thank you for your effort and time. [B]Sikhism is really more of a 'pantheistic' religion[/B]. [B]He is both the created and the creator[/B]. [B]He is One with all and all is One with him[/B]. [B]Guru Nänak - contrary to what some people will tell you - was a man[/B]. [B]The [I]mool mantra[/I] states that every man has the potential to 'commune' with God because God is within every man. [/B] Ok, I’m sure you will have come across this before as it seems apparent enough. To get to the point, I want to address the apparent conflict in your writings – the man / God dichotomy. To save us both some time, I’m anticipating this discussion will reduce down to a debate concerning the law of non-contradiction. How can man pray to God when man is God? If God is within us then is there a part of us that isn’t God? The part which prays? The part which discovers God? [B]Yes. God is inconceivable by human qualification. Not only because we can't physically 'see' him as a discrete entity, but also because he is not in any way human. [/B] How did you arrive at these conclusions? If God is beyond all rationality, is there another means by which we can realise Him? If this is spirituality, then this is an internal process relative to each person, such a mechanism renders Sikhism completely esoteric, but this isn’t the case. Sikhs have a variety of external symbolic behaviours, yet Guru Nanak condemned ritualistic practices. It seems to me that the definitions of terms change according to the situation. Please do not take offence from these views. Make me understand. Thank you [/QUOTE]
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