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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 202959" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Dear Original Ji</p><p></p><p>You are most welcome to response to this post, but please be aware that this is likely my last reply on this topic for a little while. Although I have greatly enjoyed this discussion, I worry that my alternative views might be giving some people the wrong idea about Sikhi.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know exactly what happens after death. Neither did Guru Ji, according to this shabad: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=885&L=14&id=37780" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=885&L=14&id=37780</a></p><p></p><p>It is so beautiful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm a little bit confused. It's in the Gurbani because Guru Sahib observed that there are different kinds of people in the world and wrote about them?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm gonna say no...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All this time I thought it was written like that because that was the writing style of the day. And there is still grammar throughout Gurbani. But I do like where you're coming from with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I'm making myself clear.</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">1. Gurbani says there is no other place but Ik Onkar</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">2. So how can 'a soul' be separated from Ik Onkar?</p><p></p><p>Do you ask a wave in the ocean what existed before it became a wave and then what exists after it flows back into the ocean?</p><p></p><p>I think I've run out of metaphors.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Our human experience - the experience of being part of the creation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Very nicely written, veerji. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>To my understanding, the real self (as you put it) is Akaal Purakh Itself. There is no other 'self' except the illusory one that exists as a product of creation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, Guru Sahiban.</p><p></p><p>They didn't 'shun' physical existence. They encourage living in it, experiencing it, cultivating contentment with detachment and living a householder or soldier-saint lifestyle. This is one of the hallmarks that sets Sikhi apart from Jainism, some schools of Sanatan Dharma, Buddhism and most yogis!</p><p></p><p>My understanding is that the physical world is "real" enough, and that Maya is the falseness - it is a false perspective. It is not right to become attached to material possessions - although they are real (they are physically there) they are transient objects and essentially worthless. Additionally, being attached to your family (wife, children, grandchildren) is false - the love that exists there is transient, and when you're all dead you'll all be forgotten eventually. The reality behind this illusion is that Ik Onkar is the only infinite thing, and attachment to It is lasting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The spirit is Ik Onkar, Sat Naam, Karta Purakh, Nirbhao, Nirvair, Akaal Moorat, Ajooni, Saibhang, Gur Prasaad. The spirit that animates me is exactly the same as the spirit that animates you - there is no uniqueness or individuality.</p><p></p><p>You are trying to equate the Sat Naam with qualities of the creation. I don't think you'll ever succeed - Akaal Purakh cannot be measured.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Likewise, dear Original Ji.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 202959, member: 2709"] Dear Original Ji You are most welcome to response to this post, but please be aware that this is likely my last reply on this topic for a little while. Although I have greatly enjoyed this discussion, I worry that my alternative views might be giving some people the wrong idea about Sikhi. I don't know exactly what happens after death. Neither did Guru Ji, according to this shabad: [URL]http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=885&L=14&id=37780[/URL] It is so beautiful. I'm a little bit confused. It's in the Gurbani because Guru Sahib observed that there are different kinds of people in the world and wrote about them? I'm gonna say no... All this time I thought it was written like that because that was the writing style of the day. And there is still grammar throughout Gurbani. But I do like where you're coming from with this. I'm not sure I'm making myself clear. [INDENT]1. Gurbani says there is no other place but Ik Onkar 2. So how can 'a soul' be separated from Ik Onkar?[/INDENT] Do you ask a wave in the ocean what existed before it became a wave and then what exists after it flows back into the ocean? I think I've run out of metaphors. Our human experience - the experience of being part of the creation. Very nicely written, veerji. :) To my understanding, the real self (as you put it) is Akaal Purakh Itself. There is no other 'self' except the illusory one that exists as a product of creation. Yes, Guru Sahiban. They didn't 'shun' physical existence. They encourage living in it, experiencing it, cultivating contentment with detachment and living a householder or soldier-saint lifestyle. This is one of the hallmarks that sets Sikhi apart from Jainism, some schools of Sanatan Dharma, Buddhism and most yogis! My understanding is that the physical world is "real" enough, and that Maya is the falseness - it is a false perspective. It is not right to become attached to material possessions - although they are real (they are physically there) they are transient objects and essentially worthless. Additionally, being attached to your family (wife, children, grandchildren) is false - the love that exists there is transient, and when you're all dead you'll all be forgotten eventually. The reality behind this illusion is that Ik Onkar is the only infinite thing, and attachment to It is lasting. The spirit is Ik Onkar, Sat Naam, Karta Purakh, Nirbhao, Nirvair, Akaal Moorat, Ajooni, Saibhang, Gur Prasaad. The spirit that animates me is exactly the same as the spirit that animates you - there is no uniqueness or individuality. You are trying to equate the Sat Naam with qualities of the creation. I don't think you'll ever succeed - Akaal Purakh cannot be measured. Likewise, dear Original Ji. [/QUOTE]
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