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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Original" data-source="post: 202653" data-attributes="member: 14400"><p>Respected Tejwant Ji</p><p></p><p>Forgive me for the late response, weekends are a complete retreat for me, whenever possible.</p><p></p><p>You can ask almost anyone about controversial topics and they’ll be happy to give you an opinion, backed of course, by arguments and facts. Moreover, anyone can take a stand, and almost everyone can argue their viewpoint, but not all come with an open mind. Largely because their views and opinions are deep rooted in some philosophical or a particular system of belief. Our system however, is founded on the freedom of everything within the confines of spiritual, temporal system and regulated by sober conscience, which is underpinned by a set of hard-core values. We act on our instincts, whereas, sizeable population do so on instruction and prescription. I believe that we are obligated to strive for something more subtle, more meaningful and completely harmonious. And, in that we ought to carefully examine all sides of an issue, listen attentively to the arguments being made, and to come to a true understanding of how different people see the issues and what it means to them. Then, and only then, can we form an educated position and lead boldly in that direction, all the while demonstrating empathy for those with opposing views.</p><p></p><p>Attending to the subject matter at hand, <span style="color: #0080ff">reincarnation</span>, I'll reiterate...at Gyani Ji's remarks above:</p><p></p><p>"<strong>...gur ghar, from an ideological perspective, treated <span style="color: #4d4dff">reincarnation</span> [note, not birth] as an ailment and nam simran a remedy, for how otherwise or from what must Nanak come to the rescue of humankind ? Yes, <span style="color: #0000ff">reincarnation</span> it is from which Nanak must rescue the separated soul and reunite with the omnipotent, thus ending reincarnation. However one may view <span style="color: #4d4dff">reincarnation</span> or word it differently, but it indeed be, <span style="color: #ff0080">impossible</span> to understand and interpret the moral base and development of Sikhism without accepting its validity. The reason arguably is quite simple, the deep n profound faith element it inspired and the abiding influence exercised amongst the people at the time denotes <span style="color: #0000ff">reincarnation</span> indispensable.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Do I need to say more ? No ! </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>We must never forget that people do not act and make choices in a vacuum. The factors influencing their choices can be understood, and these <span style="color: #ff0080">influences</span> lie at two levels. The first level is that of the values and beliefs they have learnt through socialisation. What is socialisation ? It is the process by which we acquire the <strong>culture</strong> of the society into which we are born [at Nanak's time it was predominantly Hindu with a touch of Islam] What is culture ? It is the learned behaviour in any particular society, that includes for example, ideas [Hindu n Islam] techniques, practices, habits, which are passed on by one generation to another - in a sense, a social heritage. Also, a set of solutions to problems that, in the course of time, our predecessors have met and solved. In this manner of speaking, not only is Gurbani literature, the foundation of Sikh religion, but also the social heritage of today's Sikh generation. </p><p></p><p>The second level is practical constraints, that is, social engineering. In both levels, knowledge and understanding of the "<strong>society</strong>" at the times of the gurus and the banikars is fundamental. The then society was instrumental in giving birth to Sikhism. <span style="color: #0000ff">Reincarnation</span> was for the people of Nanak's times what redemption and resurrection is for modern day Christians. Any attempts to interpret Gurbani in its absence would fall flat on its face rendering it inaccurate. It's like giving meaning to "married-bachelor" and asking, "what's north of North Pole ?"</p><p></p><p>Just as the story of science can never be told without the moments of revelation of Copernicus, Darwin and Einstein, so too the story of Nanak's Sikhism will remain incomplete without the theory of reincarnation.</p><p></p><p>I write with a jovial pen full of serene fluid on a tender leaf, try and repay me likewise.</p><p></p><p>Goodnight n Godbless</p><p>PS - I think reincarnation has been mullered beyond death, I'd like to leave with your permission ! Thank you</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Original, post: 202653, member: 14400"] Respected Tejwant Ji Forgive me for the late response, weekends are a complete retreat for me, whenever possible. You can ask almost anyone about controversial topics and they’ll be happy to give you an opinion, backed of course, by arguments and facts. Moreover, anyone can take a stand, and almost everyone can argue their viewpoint, but not all come with an open mind. Largely because their views and opinions are deep rooted in some philosophical or a particular system of belief. Our system however, is founded on the freedom of everything within the confines of spiritual, temporal system and regulated by sober conscience, which is underpinned by a set of hard-core values. We act on our instincts, whereas, sizeable population do so on instruction and prescription. I believe that we are obligated to strive for something more subtle, more meaningful and completely harmonious. And, in that we ought to carefully examine all sides of an issue, listen attentively to the arguments being made, and to come to a true understanding of how different people see the issues and what it means to them. Then, and only then, can we form an educated position and lead boldly in that direction, all the while demonstrating empathy for those with opposing views. Attending to the subject matter at hand, [COLOR=#0080ff]reincarnation[/COLOR], I'll reiterate...at Gyani Ji's remarks above: "[B]...gur ghar, from an ideological perspective, treated [COLOR=#4d4dff]reincarnation[/COLOR] [note, not birth] as an ailment and nam simran a remedy, for how otherwise or from what must Nanak come to the rescue of humankind ? Yes, [COLOR=#0000ff]reincarnation[/COLOR] it is from which Nanak must rescue the separated soul and reunite with the omnipotent, thus ending reincarnation. However one may view [COLOR=#4d4dff]reincarnation[/COLOR] or word it differently, but it indeed be, [COLOR=#ff0080]impossible[/COLOR] to understand and interpret the moral base and development of Sikhism without accepting its validity. The reason arguably is quite simple, the deep n profound faith element it inspired and the abiding influence exercised amongst the people at the time denotes [COLOR=#0000ff]reincarnation[/COLOR] indispensable. Do I need to say more ? No ! [/B] We must never forget that people do not act and make choices in a vacuum. The factors influencing their choices can be understood, and these [COLOR=#ff0080]influences[/COLOR] lie at two levels. The first level is that of the values and beliefs they have learnt through socialisation. What is socialisation ? It is the process by which we acquire the [B]culture[/B] of the society into which we are born [at Nanak's time it was predominantly Hindu with a touch of Islam] What is culture ? It is the learned behaviour in any particular society, that includes for example, ideas [Hindu n Islam] techniques, practices, habits, which are passed on by one generation to another - in a sense, a social heritage. Also, a set of solutions to problems that, in the course of time, our predecessors have met and solved. In this manner of speaking, not only is Gurbani literature, the foundation of Sikh religion, but also the social heritage of today's Sikh generation. The second level is practical constraints, that is, social engineering. In both levels, knowledge and understanding of the "[B]society[/B]" at the times of the gurus and the banikars is fundamental. The then society was instrumental in giving birth to Sikhism. [COLOR=#0000ff]Reincarnation[/COLOR] was for the people of Nanak's times what redemption and resurrection is for modern day Christians. Any attempts to interpret Gurbani in its absence would fall flat on its face rendering it inaccurate. It's like giving meaning to "married-bachelor" and asking, "what's north of North Pole ?" Just as the story of science can never be told without the moments of revelation of Copernicus, Darwin and Einstein, so too the story of Nanak's Sikhism will remain incomplete without the theory of reincarnation. I write with a jovial pen full of serene fluid on a tender leaf, try and repay me likewise. Goodnight n Godbless PS - I think reincarnation has been mullered beyond death, I'd like to leave with your permission ! Thank you [/QUOTE]
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