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Stop Disrespecting Satguru Nanak
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 73666" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">First of all let me thank all who took time to read thread I started and expressed their views. That is why this Site is great I feel. According to what I think, the people who strongly disagreed with me really deserve answers to their questions. I am not here to judge people,as some did since Gurbani discourages it.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I shall start with sardara123, he wrote</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">PLEASE FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT GURU IS. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">You are disrespecting Guru Ji by making this post.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Guruship is passed on to Gurus when the Soul is ONE WITH THE CREATOR, WHEN THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE LEFT.</span></span>"</p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sir, be my teacher in this regard, let me tell you what your ignorant student(me) knows About Guru.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Guru Granth Sahib is my Guru. I am saved and guided by GGS ji in the past and presently. With GGS Ji’s guidance I have learnt to battle with the primal forces, to keep always Guru Shabad as my light to live in His creation and face challenges. I have learnt what I have shared with you not from any preacher or scholar but GGS ji. As guided by Guru ji, WAHEGURU doesn’t incarnate. I adore my Guru, respect my Guru (to very high esteem) but my aim of life is HIM as stated by Guru. Why? Here is Hukam</span></span></em></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Bharo mehla 1</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਸੋ ਜਨੁ ਐਸਾ ਮੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਪੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵੈ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਹਾਉ</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">11 1126 ( in essence that I like those who by over coming their ego and fall in love with Waheguru and live according to Gurmat) How dare I disobey this Hukam of Satguru Nanak? Satguru asks us to be in love with HIM period.</span></span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If I missed any thing, your enlightened vision is welcome, </span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Next is pyramid ji</span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">With all due respect, pyramid ji</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I urge you to reread your comments about namjap and me. They are a sheer display of your anger and frustration. Gursikhs do not do that, remember, never forget what Satguru has taught us, by merely calling Guru God will take you know where. Satguru Nanak’s identity was kept well by all Satguru Sahiban, no doubt. Guru Granth is “pargat guran kid eh” literally IT is them. With what reason you call Satguru Nanak God Himself ? The word 'Himself' is questionable because about this Himself Satguru declares in Moolmantra that He is beyond birth and death. Gurbani simply states that one who is lost in Him becomes <strong>LIKE Hiim</strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When Gurbani states that HE is every where, there is nothing but Him, obviously it describes His Infinity. Here His being present every where and it also proves that He <strong>doesn’t take birth individually.</strong> You tell the learners, they will worship only Bani and Satguru and will ignore HIM. Satguru asked people to read Vedas because in there also HIS praise is vital. A Sikh should give up all other things that come in the way of falling in love with Him, whatever it is. There are many ways to adore and respect Satguru Sahbad but never ever say He came individually on earth. Following is your quote I referred </span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Guru Nanak Dev Ji was considered a Guru by the public when they found Creator qualities in Him.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Guru Nanak Dev Ji passed on Guru Gaddi to Guru Angad Dev Ji. So Guru Angad became Nanak and so on untill Gurgaddi is passed on to Guru Granth Sahib Ji- Now Gurbani is Nanak. So is every realized Soul. Nanak is the Creator Himself, present everywhere. One who realizes Him turns into Him. Gurbani confirms this fact over and over again.paramyd</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This understanding that 'person' is Guru- confuses many people. Any realized soul is God Himself. There is no difference between God and that person. Gurbani: Brahmgyani aap parmesar(A God realized person is God Himself).</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Pyramid</span></span></em></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What is Guru? If it is not God then who is? Pyramid”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In various Shabad Guru word was used for the one who enlightens others by being lost in HIM and also in context of the Almighty who blesses those who stay in tuned to Him with His grace and makes available His Nam through the enlightened ones. Remember even the enlightened ones <strong>can have only His two qualities, being fearless and without any enmity. Satguru that is why gives stress on only HIM</strong></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here is Satguru bachan</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਰਿ ਪੜਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੁਝਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਖਹੁ ਪਿਆਰੁ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਰਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫੧</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <span style="color: black">{</span></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੰਨਾ </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">937)</span></span></span></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">( in essence only He should be meditated on, only His love be in mind, only His memory be in mind since He is my support) Note I avoid word by word translation because English cannot express it in complete sense due to many reasons)</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Pyramid again</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“ </span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I just noticed a few days ago PK70 was misquoting Gurbani and then a wrong ang# was mentioned by him</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It seems like he is here just to misguide people. Namjap is already following a self styled preacher, good job. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Apne Guru nu chhad ke PK varge de lar laggo.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em>M</em>any times, I type "meditate as medtiate and through as throw"does it mean I am not aware of these common place words? Mistakes happen while typing and thinking together without taking much time to consult references. Being new to this site I even didnt know that people on this site just copy and paste material on site, Sikh 80 made me realized that. I just used to write and read. When I saw totally distorted meaning of Gurbani, I just try to point out. I didn’t know people on this site will take personally. Look how easily they lose cool ;one example say it all, read your own words above.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For that misquote/or wrong page, I apologized, if you want me to do that for your pleasure again, I can do that. Typing but not consulting is no excuse, I believe too. Following is good for both of us.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਾ ਕਉ ਸਮਝਾਵਣ ਜਾਈਐ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਭੂਲਾ ਹੋਈ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਪੇ ਖੇਲ ਕਰੇ ਸਭ ਕਰਤਾ ਐਸਾ ਬੂਝੈ ਕੋਈ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ </span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <span style="color: black">{</span></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੰਨਾ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> 1329)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">In essence:we should go to guide some one then if one is lost, it is just all His play, a few understand that)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Aad0002</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Is Satgur an Incarnation of the Creator?</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">NO if you are Sikh of Shabad Guru. Then Sat Guru can not be a human being after Sri Gobind Singh.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">YES if you are a follower of another group for example Sant Mat. Then a person ascends to stage of Satgur.aad0002</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Aad0002 ji</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I agree but respectfully disagree because the thread was not about immortality of </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Satguru Nanak.</span></span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 73666, member: 5889"] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]First of all let me thank all who took time to read thread I started and expressed their views. That is why this Site is great I feel. According to what I think, the people who strongly disagreed with me really deserve answers to their questions. I am not here to judge people,as some did since Gurbani discourages it.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I shall start with sardara123, he wrote[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]PLEASE FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT GURU IS. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]You are disrespecting Guru Ji by making this post.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Guruship is passed on to Gurus when the Soul is ONE WITH THE CREATOR, WHEN THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE LEFT.[/COLOR][/FONT]" [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Sir, be my teacher in this regard, let me tell you what your ignorant student(me) knows About Guru.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Guru Granth Sahib is my Guru. I am saved and guided by GGS ji in the past and presently. With GGS Ji’s guidance I have learnt to battle with the primal forces, to keep always Guru Shabad as my light to live in His creation and face challenges. I have learnt what I have shared with you not from any preacher or scholar but GGS ji. As guided by Guru ji, WAHEGURU doesn’t incarnate. I adore my Guru, respect my Guru (to very high esteem) but my aim of life is HIM as stated by Guru. Why? Here is Hukam[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi][FONT=Times New Roman]Bharo mehla 1[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Raavi] ਸੋ ਜਨੁ ਐਸਾ ਮੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਆਪੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵੈ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Raavi]11 1126 ( in essence that I like those who by over coming their ego and fall in love with Waheguru and live according to Gurmat) How dare I disobey this Hukam of Satguru Nanak? Satguru asks us to be in love with HIM period.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]If I missed any thing, your enlightened vision is welcome, [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Next is pyramid ji[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]With all due respect, pyramid ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I urge you to reread your comments about namjap and me. They are a sheer display of your anger and frustration. Gursikhs do not do that, remember, never forget what Satguru has taught us, by merely calling Guru God will take you know where. Satguru Nanak’s identity was kept well by all Satguru Sahiban, no doubt. Guru Granth is “pargat guran kid eh” literally IT is them. With what reason you call Satguru Nanak God Himself ? The word 'Himself' is questionable because about this Himself Satguru declares in Moolmantra that He is beyond birth and death. Gurbani simply states that one who is lost in Him becomes [B]LIKE Hiim[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]When Gurbani states that HE is every where, there is nothing but Him, obviously it describes His Infinity. Here His being present every where and it also proves that He [B]doesn’t take birth individually.[/B] You tell the learners, they will worship only Bani and Satguru and will ignore HIM. Satguru asked people to read Vedas because in there also HIS praise is vital. A Sikh should give up all other things that come in the way of falling in love with Him, whatever it is. There are many ways to adore and respect Satguru Sahbad but never ever say He came individually on earth. Following is your quote I referred [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]“Guru Nanak Dev Ji was considered a Guru by the public when they found Creator qualities in Him.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Guru Nanak Dev Ji passed on Guru Gaddi to Guru Angad Dev Ji. So Guru Angad became Nanak and so on untill Gurgaddi is passed on to Guru Granth Sahib Ji- Now Gurbani is Nanak. So is every realized Soul. Nanak is the Creator Himself, present everywhere. One who realizes Him turns into Him. Gurbani confirms this fact over and over again.paramyd[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]This understanding that 'person' is Guru- confuses many people. Any realized soul is God Himself. There is no difference between God and that person. Gurbani: Brahmgyani aap parmesar(A God realized person is God Himself).[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Pyramid[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]What is Guru? If it is not God then who is? Pyramid”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]In various Shabad Guru word was used for the one who enlightens others by being lost in HIM and also in context of the Almighty who blesses those who stay in tuned to Him with His grace and makes available His Nam through the enlightened ones. Remember even the enlightened ones [B]can have only His two qualities, being fearless and without any enmity. Satguru that is why gives stress on only HIM[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Here is Satguru bachan[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਹਰਿ ਪੜਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੁਝਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਖਹੁ ਪਿਆਰੁ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹਰਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੁ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੫੧[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][COLOR=purple][FONT=Times New Roman] [COLOR=black]{[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪੰਨਾ [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]937)[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]( in essence only He should be meditated on, only His love be in mind, only His memory be in mind since He is my support) Note I avoid word by word translation because English cannot express it in complete sense due to many reasons)[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Pyramid again[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]“ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I just noticed a few days ago PK70 was misquoting Gurbani and then a wrong ang# was mentioned by him[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]It seems like he is here just to misguide people. Namjap is already following a self styled preacher, good job. [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Apne Guru nu chhad ke PK varge de lar laggo.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru”[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][I]M[/I]any times, I type "meditate as medtiate and through as throw"does it mean I am not aware of these common place words? Mistakes happen while typing and thinking together without taking much time to consult references. Being new to this site I even didnt know that people on this site just copy and paste material on site, Sikh 80 made me realized that. I just used to write and read. When I saw totally distorted meaning of Gurbani, I just try to point out. I didn’t know people on this site will take personally. Look how easily they lose cool ;one example say it all, read your own words above.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]For that misquote/or wrong page, I apologized, if you want me to do that for your pleasure again, I can do that. Typing but not consulting is no excuse, I believe too. Following is good for both of us.[/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਤਾ ਕਉ ਸਮਝਾਵਣ ਜਾਈਐ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਭੂਲਾ ਹੋਈ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਆਪੇ ਖੇਲ ਕਰੇ ਸਭ ਕਰਤਾ ਐਸਾ ਬੂਝੈ ਕੋਈ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][COLOR=purple][FONT=Times New Roman] [COLOR=black]{[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਪੰਨਾ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi][FONT=Times New Roman] 1329)[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Raavi][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]In essence:we should go to guide some one then if one is lost, it is just all His play, a few understand that)[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Aad0002[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Is Satgur an Incarnation of the Creator?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]NO if you are Sikh of Shabad Guru. Then Sat Guru can not be a human being after Sri Gobind Singh.[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#5b5b5b]YES if you are a follower of another group for example Sant Mat. Then a person ascends to stage of Satgur.aad0002[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Aad0002 ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I agree but respectfully disagree because the thread was not about immortality of [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Satguru Nanak.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/QUOTE]
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