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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 87946" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>In the Zen tradition spiritual ecstasy has its own identity. This poem/ode by Richard Rose, a Zen mystic, describes the experience with an authentic voice. This is Book 1 of three books. I will post the others in time. Richard Rose left his physical body in the late 1990's in the US. He had a significant influence on many people who were seeking the Divine within. The source is <a href="http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com" target="_blank">Self-Discovery Portal</a>,</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><strong>The Three Books of the Absolute</strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong>by Richard Rose</strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong>Book I</strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>Out of the valley of the river came a wanderer. Peace was in his eye and</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>his soul was wrapped in Nirvana. Peace to the wanderer.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>O Eternal Essence, I was that Wanderer. I it was who left the gardens of</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>tranquility that I might labor for Truth.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>I sought Thee, O Eternal Essence, in the grottoes and in the tabernacles. I</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>called out thy name to the stone ears of statues. And thou answered not.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>I sought Thee in the voice of nature. I looked for Thee in the footprints of</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>animals, in the habits of birds. I listened for a revelation in the murmuring of</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>waters and in the soft moaning of the forests. I laid my ear against the roaring</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>cataracts and bared my head to the tempests. But Thou answered not.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>I have sought Thee, O Eternal Essence, within my self. I have sought Thee</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>in my mind until I was cursed with confusion. And I saw Thee not.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>Then, O Eternal Essence, I sought Thee whence I came. I sought Thee in</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>my womb. As the wild beast flees from the elements into his cavern where his</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>wild dam littered him, so I fled the darkness of my clay. And naught did I find</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>but the turbulence of my imagination. There in chaotic pattern did I find the</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>seeds of all confusion that pretended to be wisdom. Where man was born was</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>also born his gods. Where man was born was also born his demons. And where</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>in glorious pain, man first raised his foetal head, there too in ignominious joy</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>was he devoured.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>My eyes are extinguished although I see the earth beneath me. And my</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>ears are destroyed and my mouth speaks no words for my feet carry me through</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>a realm that needs no language. And my mind is silent and humble in its</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>dismay, and all within that House there is not one thought. And within that</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>House is heard the painful tolling of a tiny silver bell, and within that dome is</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>felt the surge of mighty roaring tides that will not be stopped.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>For the keeper of the House is gone, and all that remains testifies that he</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>never was. Exploding thunder shakes its walls, and heaven and hell are within</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>its region. For All is within that House, swelling it to burst its comprehension.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>All joy is here, and all joy is pain, torturing the House that cannot contain it.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>All of joy is tears, and the world will not contain the reaving sorrow of</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>this House. All this House is fire, straining to burst forth until these walls stand</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>no longer.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>O lamentations of lamentations, has thy agony no tongue? O sorrower in</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>the spaces of desolation, who shall hear thy anguish, and unless it be heard, how</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>shall the pain be stopped?</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>I, O Eternal Essence, beseech Thee,--where within Thee have I dissolved</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>myself?</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>Where are prisoned those who follow love? Where have I left my I-ness,</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>and now having left it, who is it that cries out to Thee? Where is the dirge of</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>sorrow that is all that remains of me? Who feels this pain that burns and</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>consumes, yet is felt not by I-who-am-no-more? Who is it that looks from the</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>windows of my mansion like a strange prowler? Who is it that hears and hears</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>not, that yearns for life and lives not, that seeks out death and dies not....?</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>O Ever-Allness, what is Thy pleasure in my sorrow? Thou hast damned</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>me to thoughtlessness, and yet I cannot leave off thinking, and still my thoughts</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>are not words. Thou hast robbed me of my soul and mind, and my body</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>laments for all ages, for my body dies not nor yet walks among men. Thou hast</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>delivered me from my Ego, and what is there that remains? O Ever-Allness,</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>forever insensate, pitiless to entreaty, speechless to my prayers,--weep Thou</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>with me for I am of Thee....and all that remains of me is Thee.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>What is the magnitude of Thy nothingness! O what are the limits of Thy</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>plentitude!....What is the thunder of Thy silence!....How quiet are Thy</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>cataclysms! Thus shall I sing the praises of myself.</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"><em>Peace to the wanderer!</em></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p style="text-align: left">This passage describes a state of mind before nirvana is reached and before the discovery of the Divine occurs. I think we can hear similarities but also differences when contrasting what is in the writing of Richard Rose with our understanding of the torments of munn in Sikhism.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">One thing is important to note and it is stated by Rose early in this passage. In Zen "nirvana" is not the goal of spiritual development. In Zen the question that is asked is, After nirvana, then what? </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 87946, member: 35"] In the Zen tradition spiritual ecstasy has its own identity. This poem/ode by Richard Rose, a Zen mystic, describes the experience with an authentic voice. This is Book 1 of three books. I will post the others in time. Richard Rose left his physical body in the late 1990's in the US. He had a significant influence on many people who were seeking the Divine within. The source is [URL="http://www.selfdiscoveryportal.com"]Self-Discovery Portal[/URL], [CENTER][B]The Three Books of the Absolute[/B] [B]by Richard Rose[/B] [B]Book I[/B] [I]Out of the valley of the river came a wanderer. Peace was in his eye and[/I] [I]his soul was wrapped in Nirvana. Peace to the wanderer.[/I] [I]O Eternal Essence, I was that Wanderer. I it was who left the gardens of[/I] [I]tranquility that I might labor for Truth.[/I] [I]I sought Thee, O Eternal Essence, in the grottoes and in the tabernacles. I[/I] [I]called out thy name to the stone ears of statues. And thou answered not.[/I] [I]I sought Thee in the voice of nature. I looked for Thee in the footprints of[/I] [I]animals, in the habits of birds. I listened for a revelation in the murmuring of[/I] [I]waters and in the soft moaning of the forests. I laid my ear against the roaring[/I] [I]cataracts and bared my head to the tempests. But Thou answered not.[/I] [I]I have sought Thee, O Eternal Essence, within my self. I have sought Thee[/I] [I]in my mind until I was cursed with confusion. And I saw Thee not.[/I] [I]Then, O Eternal Essence, I sought Thee whence I came. I sought Thee in[/I] [I]my womb. As the wild beast flees from the elements into his cavern where his[/I] [I]wild dam littered him, so I fled the darkness of my clay. And naught did I find[/I] [I]but the turbulence of my imagination. There in chaotic pattern did I find the[/I] [I]seeds of all confusion that pretended to be wisdom. Where man was born was[/I] [I]also born his gods. Where man was born was also born his demons. And where[/I] [I]in glorious pain, man first raised his foetal head, there too in ignominious joy[/I] [I]was he devoured.[/I] [I]My eyes are extinguished although I see the earth beneath me. And my[/I] [I]ears are destroyed and my mouth speaks no words for my feet carry me through[/I] [I]a realm that needs no language. And my mind is silent and humble in its[/I] [I]dismay, and all within that House there is not one thought. And within that[/I] [I]House is heard the painful tolling of a tiny silver bell, and within that dome is[/I] [I]felt the surge of mighty roaring tides that will not be stopped.[/I] [I]For the keeper of the House is gone, and all that remains testifies that he[/I] [I]never was. Exploding thunder shakes its walls, and heaven and hell are within[/I] [I]its region. For All is within that House, swelling it to burst its comprehension.[/I] [I]All joy is here, and all joy is pain, torturing the House that cannot contain it.[/I] [I]All of joy is tears, and the world will not contain the reaving sorrow of[/I] [I]this House. All this House is fire, straining to burst forth until these walls stand[/I] [I]no longer.[/I] [I]O lamentations of lamentations, has thy agony no tongue? O sorrower in[/I] [I]the spaces of desolation, who shall hear thy anguish, and unless it be heard, how[/I] [I]shall the pain be stopped?[/I] [I]I, O Eternal Essence, beseech Thee,--where within Thee have I dissolved[/I] [I]myself?[/I] [I]Where are prisoned those who follow love? Where have I left my I-ness,[/I] [I]and now having left it, who is it that cries out to Thee? Where is the dirge of[/I] [I]sorrow that is all that remains of me? Who feels this pain that burns and[/I] [I]consumes, yet is felt not by I-who-am-no-more? Who is it that looks from the[/I] [I]windows of my mansion like a strange prowler? Who is it that hears and hears[/I] [I]not, that yearns for life and lives not, that seeks out death and dies not....?[/I] [I]O Ever-Allness, what is Thy pleasure in my sorrow? Thou hast damned[/I] [I]me to thoughtlessness, and yet I cannot leave off thinking, and still my thoughts[/I] [I]are not words. Thou hast robbed me of my soul and mind, and my body[/I] [I]laments for all ages, for my body dies not nor yet walks among men. Thou hast[/I] [I]delivered me from my Ego, and what is there that remains? O Ever-Allness,[/I] [I]forever insensate, pitiless to entreaty, speechless to my prayers,--weep Thou[/I] [I]with me for I am of Thee....and all that remains of me is Thee.[/I] [I]What is the magnitude of Thy nothingness! O what are the limits of Thy[/I] [I]plentitude!....What is the thunder of Thy silence!....How quiet are Thy[/I] [I]cataclysms! Thus shall I sing the praises of myself.[/I] [I]Peace to the wanderer![/I] [LEFT]This passage describes a state of mind before nirvana is reached and before the discovery of the Divine occurs. I think we can hear similarities but also differences when contrasting what is in the writing of Richard Rose with our understanding of the torments of munn in Sikhism. One thing is important to note and it is stated by Rose early in this passage. In Zen "nirvana" is not the goal of spiritual development. In Zen the question that is asked is, After nirvana, then what? [/LEFT] [/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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