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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 84426" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Sikhism is not the same as Hinduism..or Islam, .....or Christianity.....etc</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I already posted evidence with pictures and videos but the post was deleted for unspecified reasons.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sad(A) since it's inception has been very careful to support independant state of Khalistan through peaceful means. However, the largest supporters of SAD(A) are not in Punjab where they have to worry about police and public opinion, and you do not see or hear the same kind of restraint. Certain elements within SAD(A), Dal Khalsa, and Shiromani Khalsa Dal are former members of militant organizations, which still have a base in Pakistan. What we are seeing in the West is public support of unstable elements within Pakistan, and Pakistani military interests over the survival interests of India, which realistically would destroy Punjab. The links between jihadi violence and Sikh militancy have always existed and this should be honestly addressed by the mainstream Sikh community. Support for radical political positions ties directly with issues of Sikh independance, repudiation of any association or any respect for Hinduism, Hindu culture and Hindu state. You can't have attitudes of hostility which are a primary part of a community's political identity without seeing a connection to attitudes of violence against the presumed enemy. </p><p></p><p>When violence does occur, it's not even believable that groups with stated agendas of violence are not involved. Even if the vocal elements are in the minority, the cause for concern is that the Sikh majority continues to turn a blind eye and justify the attitudes and rhetoric of hostility to Hindus, treasonous collaboration with Pakistan, and agitation for an independant Sikh state. I'm sorry if you can't see that, it's as plain as writing on the wall. And as I said, in some diaspora communities it isn't even a minority position.</p><p></p><p>While I do still have sympathy for militancy as a Dharmic response to political oppression, there is a limit to an appropriate response. I think the Sikh community as a whole is glorifying the violence of the past and exaggerating the Sikh-Hindu divide for a manipulated separatist agenda. We don't have any justification for violence or treasonous attacks against Hindu populations, nor are there credible justifications for support of Pakistani jihadis. This political manipulation is a gross distortion of Sikhism. And I believe it is firmly tied to the current attitudes of hostility and opposition to anything Hindu. This is not how anybody will create Khalistan. It's how people will create another Gallughara. And if we're honest and evaluate all the elements preceding the violence of the Indian state, there were a number of provoking factors and incidents which pitted Sikhs against Hindus. If people don't take responsibility for the causes of communal violence and strife, we're just going to keep justifying and repeating the same mistakes and go down that same path again. Sikhs weren't even noticed internationally during the 1980's and 1990's gallughara. What will happen if glorification of violence gets established in the public mind with incidents of collaboration with jihadi militant groups such as the Indian bombings? Sikhs won't have any support at all. So why are Sikh communities praising the rhetoric of radical Khalistanis? Why continue to praise the rhetoric of independant nationhood and separate identity? This very talk about separatism, independance, disrespect for anything Hindu in Sikhism is volatile and promotes unease and suspicion by Indian government police and intelligence agencies. It also justifies violent means and encourages the fanatics among us. What good can come of it?</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBiF_EMSiE" target="_blank">YouTube - Sikhs welcomes Pakistan decision to bring Anand Karaj Act</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmoLw1oiP1M" target="_blank">YouTube - Khalistan Speech June 3rd June 2007 Trafalgour Square London</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOE4JkifX-0" target="_blank">YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmlKv55Hw-w" target="_blank">YouTube - Sikh Muslim Brotherhood Agaisnt Evil Hindu India</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTpEkf0tlzk" target="_blank">YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5F9gKS4Qg" target="_blank">YouTube - 17 BOMB BLASTS ROCK AHMEDABAD,45 DEAD: more Islamic TERROR</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CuPPOzQ3zE" target="_blank">YouTube - Punjab: Jihadi-Khalistani link likely</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k65WelP2vVc" target="_blank">YouTube - Sikh Muslim Brotherhood Agianst Evil Hindu India</a></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_061605a.html" target="_blank">The Sikh Times - News and Analysis - The Ghost of Khalistan</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.rediff.co.in/news/2007/dec/31babbar.htm" target="_blank">ISI-backed Sikh militancy back, warns IB</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 84426, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Sikhism is not the same as Hinduism..or Islam, .....or Christianity.....etc[/b] I already posted evidence with pictures and videos but the post was deleted for unspecified reasons. Sad(A) since it's inception has been very careful to support independant state of Khalistan through peaceful means. However, the largest supporters of SAD(A) are not in Punjab where they have to worry about police and public opinion, and you do not see or hear the same kind of restraint. Certain elements within SAD(A), Dal Khalsa, and Shiromani Khalsa Dal are former members of militant organizations, which still have a base in Pakistan. What we are seeing in the West is public support of unstable elements within Pakistan, and Pakistani military interests over the survival interests of India, which realistically would destroy Punjab. The links between jihadi violence and Sikh militancy have always existed and this should be honestly addressed by the mainstream Sikh community. Support for radical political positions ties directly with issues of Sikh independance, repudiation of any association or any respect for Hinduism, Hindu culture and Hindu state. You can't have attitudes of hostility which are a primary part of a community's political identity without seeing a connection to attitudes of violence against the presumed enemy. When violence does occur, it's not even believable that groups with stated agendas of violence are not involved. Even if the vocal elements are in the minority, the cause for concern is that the Sikh majority continues to turn a blind eye and justify the attitudes and rhetoric of hostility to Hindus, treasonous collaboration with Pakistan, and agitation for an independant Sikh state. I'm sorry if you can't see that, it's as plain as writing on the wall. And as I said, in some diaspora communities it isn't even a minority position. While I do still have sympathy for militancy as a Dharmic response to political oppression, there is a limit to an appropriate response. I think the Sikh community as a whole is glorifying the violence of the past and exaggerating the Sikh-Hindu divide for a manipulated separatist agenda. We don't have any justification for violence or treasonous attacks against Hindu populations, nor are there credible justifications for support of Pakistani jihadis. This political manipulation is a gross distortion of Sikhism. And I believe it is firmly tied to the current attitudes of hostility and opposition to anything Hindu. This is not how anybody will create Khalistan. It's how people will create another Gallughara. And if we're honest and evaluate all the elements preceding the violence of the Indian state, there were a number of provoking factors and incidents which pitted Sikhs against Hindus. If people don't take responsibility for the causes of communal violence and strife, we're just going to keep justifying and repeating the same mistakes and go down that same path again. Sikhs weren't even noticed internationally during the 1980's and 1990's gallughara. What will happen if glorification of violence gets established in the public mind with incidents of collaboration with jihadi militant groups such as the Indian bombings? Sikhs won't have any support at all. So why are Sikh communities praising the rhetoric of radical Khalistanis? Why continue to praise the rhetoric of independant nationhood and separate identity? This very talk about separatism, independance, disrespect for anything Hindu in Sikhism is volatile and promotes unease and suspicion by Indian government police and intelligence agencies. It also justifies violent means and encourages the fanatics among us. What good can come of it? [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPBiF_EMSiE"]YouTube - Sikhs welcomes Pakistan decision to bring Anand Karaj Act[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmoLw1oiP1M"]YouTube - Khalistan Speech June 3rd June 2007 Trafalgour Square London[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOE4JkifX-0"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmlKv55Hw-w"]YouTube - Sikh Muslim Brotherhood Agaisnt Evil Hindu India[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTpEkf0tlzk"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5F9gKS4Qg"]YouTube - 17 BOMB BLASTS ROCK AHMEDABAD,45 DEAD: more Islamic TERROR[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CuPPOzQ3zE"]YouTube - Punjab: Jihadi-Khalistani link likely[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k65WelP2vVc"]YouTube - Sikh Muslim Brotherhood Agianst Evil Hindu India[/url] [url=http://www.sikhtimes.com/news_061605a.html]The Sikh Times - News and Analysis - The Ghost of Khalistan[/url] [url=http://www.rediff.co.in/news/2007/dec/31babbar.htm]ISI-backed Sikh militancy back, warns IB[/url] ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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