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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_Member4" data-source="post: 87789" data-attributes="member: 6184"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">First a definition of a ritual that is completely misleading gets presented to debunk tattoos are not rituals. Then this 4 scenario cases are presented to say a person can perform rituals and still find liberation, but this gets debunked by Gurbani. And now it's down to in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji the word tattoo does not come up, so tattoos argument is not Gurbani based. This is completely ridiculous, anyone with even a little bit of spirituality can see how ridiculous that statements is. Gurbani clearly says stop performing these rituals liberation is not found in them, but still people want to indulge into them. Anyone that wants to keep performing this ritual can go right ahead. It's not my concern and my problem. The facts have been presented and if anyone else has anything important to say I'll reply otherwise it's a waste of time going around in circles. I'll leave you with this shabad to contemplate over. </span></span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">GAUREE, FIRST MEHL: By Guru.s Grace,</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">one comes to understand, and then, the account is settled. In each and every heart is the Name of the Immaculate Lord; He is</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">my Lord and Master. || 1 || Without the Word of the Guru.s Shabad, no one is emancipated. See this, and reflect upon it.</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">Even though you may perform hundreds of thousands of rituals, without the Guru, there is only darkness. || 1 || Pause ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">What can you say, to one who is blind and without wisdom? Without the Guru, the Path cannot be seen. How can anyone</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">proceed? || 2 || He calls the counterfeit genuine, and does not know the value of the genuine. The blind man is known as an</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">appraiser; this Dark Age of Kali Yuga is so strange! || 3 || The sleeper is said to be awake, and those who are awake are like</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">sleepers. The living are said to be dead, and no one mourns for those who have died. || 4 || One who is coming is said to be</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">going, and one who is gone is said to have come. That which belongs to others, he calls his own, but he has no liking for that</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">which is his. || 5 || That which is sweet is said to be bitter, and the bitter is said to be sweet. One who is imbued with the</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">Lord.s Love is slandered . his is what I have seen in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. || 6 || He serves the maid, and does not</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">see his Lord and Master. Churning the water in the pond, no butter is produced. || 7 || One who understands the meaning of</span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">this verse is my Guru. O Nanak, one who knows his own self, is infinite and incomparable. || 8 || He Himself is All-pervading;</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahona'">He Himself misleads the people. By Guru.s Grace, one comes to understand, that God is contained in all. || 9 || 2 || 18 || ang 229</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_Member4, post: 87789, member: 6184"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]First a definition of a ritual that is completely misleading gets presented to debunk tattoos are not rituals. Then this 4 scenario cases are presented to say a person can perform rituals and still find liberation, but this gets debunked by Gurbani. And now it's down to in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji the word tattoo does not come up, so tattoos argument is not Gurbani based. This is completely ridiculous, anyone with even a little bit of spirituality can see how ridiculous that statements is. Gurbani clearly says stop performing these rituals liberation is not found in them, but still people want to indulge into them. Anyone that wants to keep performing this ritual can go right ahead. It's not my concern and my problem. The facts have been presented and if anyone else has anything important to say I'll reply otherwise it's a waste of time going around in circles. I'll leave you with this shabad to contemplate over. [/FONT][/COLOR] [LEFT][FONT=Tahona]GAUREE, FIRST MEHL: By Guru.s Grace,[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]one comes to understand, and then, the account is settled. In each and every heart is the Name of the Immaculate Lord; He is[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]my Lord and Master. || 1 || Without the Word of the Guru.s Shabad, no one is emancipated. See this, and reflect upon it.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]Even though you may perform hundreds of thousands of rituals, without the Guru, there is only darkness. || 1 || Pause ||[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]What can you say, to one who is blind and without wisdom? Without the Guru, the Path cannot be seen. How can anyone[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]proceed? || 2 || He calls the counterfeit genuine, and does not know the value of the genuine. The blind man is known as an[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]appraiser; this Dark Age of Kali Yuga is so strange! || 3 || The sleeper is said to be awake, and those who are awake are like[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]sleepers. The living are said to be dead, and no one mourns for those who have died. || 4 || One who is coming is said to be[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]going, and one who is gone is said to have come. That which belongs to others, he calls his own, but he has no liking for that[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]which is his. || 5 || That which is sweet is said to be bitter, and the bitter is said to be sweet. One who is imbued with the[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]Lord.s Love is slandered . his is what I have seen in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. || 6 || He serves the maid, and does not[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]see his Lord and Master. Churning the water in the pond, no butter is produced. || 7 || One who understands the meaning of[/FONT] [FONT=Tahona]this verse is my Guru. O Nanak, one who knows his own self, is infinite and incomparable. || 8 || He Himself is All-pervading;[/FONT][/LEFT] [FONT=Tahona]He Himself misleads the people. By Guru.s Grace, one comes to understand, that God is contained in all. || 9 || 2 || 18 || ang 229[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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