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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 150334" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>I personally do not see a disagreement.</p><p></p><p>What I do see is naming things differently. </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">awakening of kundalini</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">achieving Samadhi 24/7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">achieving enlightenment</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in the consonance of everything/God</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in tune to Guru's Will/Hukam</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">intuitive understanding of everything/God</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">merging of small jot with ultimate Jot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">understanding the nature of the self</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in the present moment</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">being fully aware and alert</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realization of Oneness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they are already enlightened</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they are already merged</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they cannot live outside of the Hukam</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing there is no God (every other name as well: Joti, Waheguru, Allah ,Ram, etc)</li> </ul><p>... etc</p><p></p><p>How are they different? Different only in their names and the fact that mythologies are created around them to try and get people towards them.</p><p></p><p>I mean the whole notion of some sort of coiled energy in the body that is opened up... I mean it could be true, I don't know, but it's referring to the same experience one has when jot merges with bigger Jot, enlightenment and so on.</p><p></p><p>You don't know which one is true. There is no way to know. After the experience the observer validates a particular name/desscription.</p><p></p><p>The Muslim validates that Allah is God</p><p>The Hindu validates that Krishna is God</p><p>The Sikh ...Waheguru</p><p>The Atheist ... nothing there</p><p></p><p>What neither of them realize is that when stepped upto the plate of validating anything, they already stepped up and out of the underlying reality. The underlying reality is the bull that supports their superficial reality.</p><p></p><p>The underlying reality could be named as "Waheguru" and superficial reality as "Maya" but by naming it any way, it cannot be realized.</p><p></p><p>Underlying reality cannot be put into words. What is important is to SEE what they/we are talking about. To see the underlying reality.</p><p></p><p>All the methods look different on the outside but inside... when you actually look on the inside of all those practices...they are all the same. Both practioners of Jotism and Kudalinism are doing the same. The Jotists maybe doing simran or something and Kudalinist maybe doing yoga or something. </p><p></p><p>And if they are not achieving their results they both aren't doing that which they hold in common. </p><p></p><p>What do they hold in common?</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>How do I name it? </p><p></p><p>I have used the words "underlying reality". but what the **** is the underlying reality? How can we know this reality?</p><p>One can know <strong>that</strong> by practicing and remaining detached from any particular set of words and any explanations (whether scientific because scientific ones can be pretty enticing nowadays).</p><p></p><p><strong>That</strong> which in its ultimate form is named above and below in bullet points. </p><p></p><p>Even to say what we out to be practicing to realize the underlying reality, is difficult and can be said in many words, some of which may even contradict with each other.</p><p></p><p>They should be practicing following:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">awakening of kundalini</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">achieving Samadhi 24/7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">achieving enlightenment</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in the consonance of everything/God</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in tune to Guru's Will/Hukam</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">intuitive understanding of everything/God</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">merging of small jot with ultimate Jot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">understanding the nature of the self</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">living in the present moment</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">being fully aware and alert</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realization of Oneness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they are already enlightened</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they are already merged</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing they cannot live outside of the Hukam</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">realizing there is no God</li> </ul><p>... etc</p><p></p><p>The practice is the goal? YES!</p><p></p><p>Stated like so e.g. kundalini</p><p>Practice the awakening of kundalini is the goal of kundalini yoga is to practice the awakening to kundalini is the goal of...</p><p></p><p>If you tried to follow the above with your preconceived notions about the underlying reality, then you probably went "what the ****?"</p><p></p><p>*sigh*</p><p></p><p>What is important is the practice and not the name of it.</p><p></p><p>I personally do not see a disagreement. I see <strong>that </strong>which is being pointlessly disagreed on.</p><p></p><p>(meditate)</p><p></p><p>That is Bliss.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਬਾਵਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਅਖਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਜੋਰੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਆਨਿ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">बावन अखर जोरे आनि ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Bāvan akẖar jore ān.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">The fifty-two letters have been joined together.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਸਕਿਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅਖਰੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਏਕੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪਛਾਨਿ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">सकिआ न अखरु एकु पछानि ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Saki▫ā na akẖar ek pacẖẖān.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">But people cannot recognize the One Word of God.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਸਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਕਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਬਦੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਕਬੀਰਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਕਹੈ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">सत का सबदु कबीरा कहै ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Saṯ kā sabaḏ kabīrā kahai.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Kabeer speaks the Shabad, the Word of Truth.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਪੰਡਿਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਹੋਇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਅਨਭੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਰਹੈ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">पंडित होइ सु अनभै रहै ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Pandiṯ ho▫e so anbẖai rahai.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">One who is a Pandit, a religious scholar, must remain fearless.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਪੰਡਿਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank">ਲੋਗਹ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਕਉ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਬਿਉਹਾਰ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">पंडित लोगह कउ बिउहार ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Pandiṯ logah ka▫o bi▫uhār.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">It is the business of the scholarly person to join letters.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਗਿਆਨਵੰਤ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਕਉ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਬੀਚਾਰ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">गिआनवंत कउ ततु बीचार ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Gi▫ānvanṯ ka▫o ṯaṯ bīcẖār.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">The spiritual person contemplates the essence of reality.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਜਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਕੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85" target="_blank">ਜੀਅ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਜੈਸੀ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬੁਧਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਹੋਈ </a> ॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">जा कै जीअ जैसी बुधि होई ॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Jā kai jī▫a jaisī buḏẖ ho▫ī.</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">According to the wisdom within the mind,</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p></td></tr> <tr><td> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਕਬੀਰ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਜਾਨੈਗਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸੋਈ </a> ॥੪੫॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008080">कहि कबीर जानैगा सोई ॥४५॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Kahi Kabīr jānaigā so▫ī. ||45||</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">says Kabeer, so does one come to understand. ||45||</span></span></span> </td></tr></tbody></table></p><p>Page 343</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 150334, member: 2610"] I personally do not see a disagreement. What I do see is naming things differently. [LIST] [*]awakening of kundalini [*]achieving Samadhi 24/7 [*]achieving enlightenment [*]living in the consonance of everything/God [*]living in tune to Guru's Will/Hukam [*]intuitive understanding of everything/God [*]merging of small jot with ultimate Jot [*]understanding the nature of the self [*]living in the present moment [*]being fully aware and alert [*]realization of Oneness [*]realizing they are already enlightened [*]realizing they are already merged [*]realizing they cannot live outside of the Hukam [*]realizing there is no God (every other name as well: Joti, Waheguru, Allah ,Ram, etc) [/LIST] ... etc How are they different? Different only in their names and the fact that mythologies are created around them to try and get people towards them. I mean the whole notion of some sort of coiled energy in the body that is opened up... I mean it could be true, I don't know, but it's referring to the same experience one has when jot merges with bigger Jot, enlightenment and so on. You don't know which one is true. There is no way to know. After the experience the observer validates a particular name/desscription. The Muslim validates that Allah is God The Hindu validates that Krishna is God The Sikh ...Waheguru The Atheist ... nothing there What neither of them realize is that when stepped upto the plate of validating anything, they already stepped up and out of the underlying reality. The underlying reality is the bull that supports their superficial reality. The underlying reality could be named as "Waheguru" and superficial reality as "Maya" but by naming it any way, it cannot be realized. Underlying reality cannot be put into words. What is important is to SEE what they/we are talking about. To see the underlying reality. All the methods look different on the outside but inside... when you actually look on the inside of all those practices...they are all the same. Both practioners of Jotism and Kudalinism are doing the same. The Jotists maybe doing simran or something and Kudalinist maybe doing yoga or something. And if they are not achieving their results they both aren't doing that which they hold in common. What do they hold in common? ... How do I name it? I have used the words "underlying reality". but what the **** is the underlying reality? How can we know this reality? One can know [B]that[/B] by practicing and remaining detached from any particular set of words and any explanations (whether scientific because scientific ones can be pretty enticing nowadays). [B]That[/B] which in its ultimate form is named above and below in bullet points. Even to say what we out to be practicing to realize the underlying reality, is difficult and can be said in many words, some of which may even contradict with each other. They should be practicing following: [LIST] [*]awakening of kundalini [*]achieving Samadhi 24/7 [*]achieving enlightenment [*]living in the consonance of everything/God [*]living in tune to Guru's Will/Hukam [*]intuitive understanding of everything/God [*]merging of small jot with ultimate Jot [*]understanding the nature of the self [*]living in the present moment [*]being fully aware and alert [*]realization of Oneness [*]realizing they are already enlightened [*]realizing they are already merged [*]realizing they cannot live outside of the Hukam [*]realizing there is no God [/LIST] ... etc The practice is the goal? YES! Stated like so e.g. kundalini Practice the awakening of kundalini is the goal of kundalini yoga is to practice the awakening to kundalini is the goal of... If you tried to follow the above with your preconceived notions about the underlying reality, then you probably went "what the ****?" *sigh* What is important is the practice and not the name of it. I personally do not see a disagreement. I see [B]that [/B]which is being pointlessly disagreed on. (meditate) That is Bliss. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A8"]ਬਾਵਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B0"]ਅਖਰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87"]ਜੋਰੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"]ਆਨਿ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]बावन अखर जोरे आनि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Bāvan akẖar jore ān.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]The fifty-two letters have been joined together.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] <table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>[FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"]ਸਕਿਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"]ਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"]ਅਖਰੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81"]ਏਕੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"]ਪਛਾਨਿ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]सकिआ न अखरु एकु पछानि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Saki▫ā na akẖar ek pacẖẖān.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]But people cannot recognize the One Word of God.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4"]ਸਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE"]ਕਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81"]ਸਬਦੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"]ਕਬੀਰਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88"]ਕਹੈ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]सत का सबदु कबीरा कहै ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Saṯ kā sabaḏ kabīrā kahai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Kabeer speaks the Shabad, the Word of Truth.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4"]ਪੰਡਿਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87"]ਹੋਇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"]ਸੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%88"]ਅਨਭੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88"]ਰਹੈ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]पंडित होइ सु अनभै रहै ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Pandiṯ ho▫e so anbẖai rahai.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]One who is a Pandit, a religious scholar, must remain fearless.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4"]ਪੰਡਿਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B9"]ਲੋਗਹ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89"]ਕਉ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0"]ਬਿਉਹਾਰ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]पंडित लोगह कउ बिउहार ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Pandiṯ logah ka▫o bi▫uhār.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]It is the business of the scholarly person to join letters.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4"]ਗਿਆਨਵੰਤ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89"]ਕਉ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਤਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0"]ਬੀਚਾਰ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]गिआनवंत कउ ततु बीचार ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Gi▫ānvanṯ ka▫o ṯaṯ bīcẖār.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]The spiritual person contemplates the essence of reality.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE"]ਜਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"]ਕੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85"]ਜੀਅ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80"]ਜੈਸੀ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF"]ਬੁਧਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88"]ਹੋਈ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]जा कै जीअ जैसी बुधि होई ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Jā kai jī▫a jaisī buḏẖ ho▫ī.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]According to the wisdom within the mind,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr> <tr><td> [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਕਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0"]ਕਬੀਰ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE"]ਜਾਨੈਗਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88"]ਸੋਈ [/URL] ॥੪੫॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#008080]कहि कबीर जानैगा सोई ॥४५॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Kahi Kabīr jānaigā so▫ī. ||45||[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]says Kabeer, so does one come to understand. ||45||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] </td></tr></tbody></table> Page 343 [/QUOTE]
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