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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 77982" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>I addressed the factors involving both conversion and name change since they are related topics in my post. If you have a disagreement with those views why don't you state them specifically, as per Gurbani.</p><p></p><p>Name change ceremony in amrit sinchaar is clear. Purpose of it is not so clear. It was my attempt to point out the need for Guru deeksha to establish name change to Singh or Kaur, since it is amrit which creates a Singh or Kaur. Since the bani of Dasam Pita Ji is not included in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, it would not be possible to cite from Shabadguru a vaak which explains the importance of naming ceremony or relationship to amrit. Neither would it be possible to stretch Gurbani to show that becoming a Singh Kaur via receiving amrit is not required. For this you will do best to consult with Panj Piare or read Rehit Maryada.</p><p></p><p>Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji</p><p></p><p> <strong>You have wonderful views, sorry to say that it is hard to agree with you here. Conversion started in Sikhism when Guru Nanak started enlightening people. It went high exceedingly over period of time before Tenth Master. When amrit ceremony was introduced to Sikhs, they were not only made aware of importance of spirituality but also of a need for self defense. This self defense was actually introduced by his grand father, the Sixth Master who trained Sikhs both way-Miri Piri.- without any amrit ceremony. Tenth master felt it very important as after Seventh Master, Sikh warriors might not have remained organized as an army. During Ninth Master, Sikhs were again felt for organized military for self protection. Militancy requires disciplined organization otherwise it can easily go astray and turn into public’s nightmare. So it happened and Khalsa came into existence in 1699. Historically thousands of people joined Army of God as it was called. Purpose was only for self defense because none of any Gurus gave false dreams to rule the world because dominating idea in Guru panth was to put all attention on the Creator and enjoy spiritual bliss unlike those totally engrossed in MAYA world. If Tenth Master wouldn’t do that, possibly all Sikhs would have converted into Islam as a Sufi Poet Bulle Shah reports. Now did Tenth Master make amrit ceremony mandatory? We have no historical factual support on that. Is it important for a Sikh to have it? Answer is big” YES” Important but not mandatory, that is why Ghanaeea and Bhai Nand Lal ji who enjoyed the honor of being present with our Glorious Guru, remained dear Sikhs to Guru ji and were never asked( If they were asked, they would) to have it. History supports that fact. Khalsa was designed to protect the weaker, to stand against tyranny. There are millions who bow to walk on panth of Guru Nanak Gobind Singh even without taking ceremony, I applaud them. I have met many Sikhs whose personal life inspired me to grow spiritually and they are SEHAJDHARI SIKHS. Coming back to conversion, we Sikhs are different in thinking as guided by Gurbani than Hindus or Muslims who think , people coming from other faiths are impure, we welcome them as pure as we think we are. I took amrit, I would not tell a lie. Did it help me to grow into a better Sikh, my honest answer is “no” because my savior is Gurbani. Did amrit ceremony make me feel better emotionally, answer is yes.</strong></p><p> <strong>Last point: name changing. If Antonio ji has chosen her new faith Sikhism, she has a choice to take amrit ceremony when she feels ready to do that, none of the Sikh maryada rules opposes what I have stated above. I have Maryada with me,( by the way this maryada is being 90 percent violated in Punjab by the same Sikh category who boasts about it, please visit Punjab, you will see it with your own eyes). So Sikh Maryada has nothing to say in this context either. I also give stress that over times some hypocrites can take over SGPC and Akaal Takhat Power but no one can ever take away from us is our Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Stick to Guru more than any one else. Guru Granth Sahib is asking our attention more than any thing, changing name without amrit ceremony will not harm the soul.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 77982, member: 5889"] I addressed the factors involving both conversion and name change since they are related topics in my post. If you have a disagreement with those views why don't you state them specifically, as per Gurbani. Name change ceremony in amrit sinchaar is clear. Purpose of it is not so clear. It was my attempt to point out the need for Guru deeksha to establish name change to Singh or Kaur, since it is amrit which creates a Singh or Kaur. Since the bani of Dasam Pita Ji is not included in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, it would not be possible to cite from Shabadguru a vaak which explains the importance of naming ceremony or relationship to amrit. Neither would it be possible to stretch Gurbani to show that becoming a Singh Kaur via receiving amrit is not required. For this you will do best to consult with Panj Piare or read Rehit Maryada. Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji [B]You have wonderful views, sorry to say that it is hard to agree with you here. Conversion started in Sikhism when Guru Nanak started enlightening people. It went high exceedingly over period of time before Tenth Master. When amrit ceremony was introduced to Sikhs, they were not only made aware of importance of spirituality but also of a need for self defense. This self defense was actually introduced by his grand father, the Sixth Master who trained Sikhs both way-Miri Piri.- without any amrit ceremony. Tenth master felt it very important as after Seventh Master, Sikh warriors might not have remained organized as an army. During Ninth Master, Sikhs were again felt for organized military for self protection. Militancy requires disciplined organization otherwise it can easily go astray and turn into public’s nightmare. So it happened and Khalsa came into existence in 1699. Historically thousands of people joined Army of God as it was called. Purpose was only for self defense because none of any Gurus gave false dreams to rule the world because dominating idea in Guru panth was to put all attention on the Creator and enjoy spiritual bliss unlike those totally engrossed in MAYA world. If Tenth Master wouldn’t do that, possibly all Sikhs would have converted into Islam as a Sufi Poet Bulle Shah reports. Now did Tenth Master make amrit ceremony mandatory? We have no historical factual support on that. Is it important for a Sikh to have it? Answer is big” YES” Important but not mandatory, that is why Ghanaeea and Bhai Nand Lal ji who enjoyed the honor of being present with our Glorious Guru, remained dear Sikhs to Guru ji and were never asked( If they were asked, they would) to have it. History supports that fact. Khalsa was designed to protect the weaker, to stand against tyranny. There are millions who bow to walk on panth of Guru Nanak Gobind Singh even without taking ceremony, I applaud them. I have met many Sikhs whose personal life inspired me to grow spiritually and they are SEHAJDHARI SIKHS. Coming back to conversion, we Sikhs are different in thinking as guided by Gurbani than Hindus or Muslims who think , people coming from other faiths are impure, we welcome them as pure as we think we are. I took amrit, I would not tell a lie. Did it help me to grow into a better Sikh, my honest answer is “no” because my savior is Gurbani. Did amrit ceremony make me feel better emotionally, answer is yes.[/B] [B]Last point: name changing. If Antonio ji has chosen her new faith Sikhism, she has a choice to take amrit ceremony when she feels ready to do that, none of the Sikh maryada rules opposes what I have stated above. I have Maryada with me,( by the way this maryada is being 90 percent violated in Punjab by the same Sikh category who boasts about it, please visit Punjab, you will see it with your own eyes). So Sikh Maryada has nothing to say in this context either. I also give stress that over times some hypocrites can take over SGPC and Akaal Takhat Power but no one can ever take away from us is our Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Stick to Guru more than any one else. Guru Granth Sahib is asking our attention more than any thing, changing name without amrit ceremony will not harm the soul.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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