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<blockquote data-quote="FireStorm" data-source="post: 7464" data-attributes="member: 4"><p>Dear Aman: </p><p></p><p>I cam acros this article 2 days ago and wrote the following email to Mr. Sanghvi. However his email <a href="mailto:vir@mid-day.com">vir@mid-day.com</a> keeps bouncing.. </p><p></p><p>I would also appreciate, if the learned members would like to add any points .. to the email.. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you have by any chance his hindustan times email? </p><p></p><p>Dear Vir: </p><p></p><p>Read your article in Mid day online. Always used</p><p>to admire you as a journalist of repute, so was a</p><p>bit hard digesting the fact that you were the</p><p>author of the article published in the mId Day. A</p><p>closer look however cleared the apprehension. </p><p></p><p>I am quite disappointed.. </p><p></p><p>You sum up your article by writing: "All truth</p><p>has the power to offend. Take away the offence</p><p>and you end up suppressing the truth."</p><p></p><p>What truth may I say is represented by a Joke</p><p>announcing a dim witted sardar?? You seem to be</p><p>making a truth out of all Sardarji jokes and just</p><p>seem to justify the image characterisation by a</p><p>single stroke of your pen. </p><p></p><p>Your article at the best is a surface skimming</p><p>article which has not delved deeped into the</p><p>causes of why Sikhs all of a sudden are aware of</p><p>the way media has been handling their image. </p><p></p><p>Wasn't Journalism all about exploring all facets</p><p>of a situation?</p><p></p><p>Everybody enjoys a good joke and I couldnt agree</p><p>with you more, but it is hard to enjoy such</p><p>situations, when all the other person can think</p><p>of is to make fun of your appearance which is</p><p>deeply rooted to your religion. </p><p></p><p>You have not pondered upon the effect such jokes,</p><p>or stereotyped image characterisation that</p><p>Bollyowood or a section of the Indian media has</p><p>embarked upon. </p><p></p><p>Young Sikh kids have started loosing confidence</p><p>in the way they lok, just because they stand to</p><p>be singled out. They find the easier way out of</p><p>doing away with this very image. It makes them</p><p>seem normal, as people now dont make fun of their</p><p>appearance. Kids of other religion will also be</p><p>affetcted by these jokes as more or less</p><p>impressions created by such jokes will have an</p><p>effect on the way they look at other communities.</p><p></p><p>It is interesting to note that while the Male</p><p>sikhs are made the brunt of the jokes, the female</p><p>sikh has been stereotyped as a sexy, beautiful</p><p>female who can fall for anyone but an ugly (media</p><p>perception) sardar. </p><p></p><p>You talked about Khushwant Singh and his Santa</p><p>Banta jokes. There is a difference when one tells</p><p>a Santa Banta joke and when one tells a Sardarji</p><p>jokes. Santa and Banta are two characters and</p><p>such characters can exist in every community,</p><p>religion or region. However when we talk about a</p><p>Sardarji joke, we are creating a stereotype image</p><p>of Sardarji. </p><p></p><p>Yes, Vir, we all have a right to freedom of</p><p>expression, but there was an old story taught to</p><p>us as a part of our Moral Science subject that</p><p>our freedom ends where the other person's nose</p><p>starts. I am not the one to object to valid</p><p>criticism, be it because of female infanticide</p><p>practice (even though it is restricted in</p><p>sikhism), or dowry prevalent among</p><p>sikhs/punjabis, but to have the cheapest humour</p><p>flung on the whole community cannot amount to</p><p>freedom of expression in any court of law. </p><p></p><p>It is interesting to note, that almost all of</p><p>internet hunour and blonde jokes are ripped to</p><p>fit in sardarjis. I wonder why we cant enjoy such</p><p>jokes in their originality and always feel the</p><p>need to remove the character and place a sardarji</p><p>in place. </p><p></p><p>Such jokes, started with the famous 12 O clock</p><p>joke. Could you please expound on the truth</p><p>behind this joke in Mid day, and mention how</p><p>women of a certain community were saved by the</p><p>dim witted sardarjis of yore. How many</p><p>journalists of today have the courage to tell the</p><p>truth and how many people can digest it? </p><p></p><p>Perhaps you can explain how the image of the</p><p>dirty jew was created prior to the Holocaust. Do</p><p>we want to create such an image of a Sardar who</p><p>has been at the forefront in patriotic activities</p><p>throughout. </p><p></p><p>I am sure no one hates sardars, but I fail to</p><p>understand, why they have the intense desire to</p><p>make stupid jokes. A student of psychology may</p><p>perhaps say that it is because of an inferiority</p><p>complex of certain people. I dont know... it is</p><p>an open question. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps you could open such a discussion on TV</p><p>and we can all contribute. </p><p></p><p>How many movies have you seen, with the central</p><p>character - a hero being a sardarji and how many</p><p>can you count with the side kick being a</p><p>dimwitted , saradrji, who cannot even win the</p><p>Love of a decent looking gal. </p><p></p><p>Can you wonder why, it is always people of other</p><p>communities or Clean Shaven sardars that are</p><p>taken as heros along with implied sikh girls.</p><p></p><p>Can you also answer why there are no jokes</p><p>concerning the Hindus/Muslims/Christians and</p><p>potraying them as</p><p>cowards, jokers, idiots or ugly? </p><p></p><p>Can we expect you to take a stand and use your</p><p>pen to further the cause of sikh image in the</p><p>media? </p><p></p><p>I am sure if you can help the sikhs frame a</p><p>better image and present it to our kids, the</p><p>community will have no objection to telling jokes</p><p>about ourselves and laughing at their antics. We</p><p>can all have a jolly good time. </p><p></p><p>Can I request you to please research a topic more</p><p>and explore the human and community facets before</p><p>brandishing a pen and making statements like the</p><p>one quoted in the begining of this email which</p><p>seem to be out of order with the chosen topic. </p><p></p><p>Expecting a more detailed article and a reply to</p><p>this mail. </p><p></p><p>Sincerely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FireStorm, post: 7464, member: 4"] Dear Aman: I cam acros this article 2 days ago and wrote the following email to Mr. Sanghvi. However his email [email]vir@mid-day.com[/email] keeps bouncing.. I would also appreciate, if the learned members would like to add any points .. to the email.. Do you have by any chance his hindustan times email? Dear Vir: Read your article in Mid day online. Always used to admire you as a journalist of repute, so was a bit hard digesting the fact that you were the author of the article published in the mId Day. A closer look however cleared the apprehension. I am quite disappointed.. You sum up your article by writing: "All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth." What truth may I say is represented by a Joke announcing a dim witted sardar?? You seem to be making a truth out of all Sardarji jokes and just seem to justify the image characterisation by a single stroke of your pen. Your article at the best is a surface skimming article which has not delved deeped into the causes of why Sikhs all of a sudden are aware of the way media has been handling their image. Wasn't Journalism all about exploring all facets of a situation? Everybody enjoys a good joke and I couldnt agree with you more, but it is hard to enjoy such situations, when all the other person can think of is to make fun of your appearance which is deeply rooted to your religion. You have not pondered upon the effect such jokes, or stereotyped image characterisation that Bollyowood or a section of the Indian media has embarked upon. Young Sikh kids have started loosing confidence in the way they lok, just because they stand to be singled out. They find the easier way out of doing away with this very image. It makes them seem normal, as people now dont make fun of their appearance. Kids of other religion will also be affetcted by these jokes as more or less impressions created by such jokes will have an effect on the way they look at other communities. It is interesting to note that while the Male sikhs are made the brunt of the jokes, the female sikh has been stereotyped as a sexy, beautiful female who can fall for anyone but an ugly (media perception) sardar. You talked about Khushwant Singh and his Santa Banta jokes. There is a difference when one tells a Santa Banta joke and when one tells a Sardarji jokes. Santa and Banta are two characters and such characters can exist in every community, religion or region. However when we talk about a Sardarji joke, we are creating a stereotype image of Sardarji. Yes, Vir, we all have a right to freedom of expression, but there was an old story taught to us as a part of our Moral Science subject that our freedom ends where the other person's nose starts. I am not the one to object to valid criticism, be it because of female infanticide practice (even though it is restricted in sikhism), or dowry prevalent among sikhs/punjabis, but to have the cheapest humour flung on the whole community cannot amount to freedom of expression in any court of law. It is interesting to note, that almost all of internet hunour and blonde jokes are ripped to fit in sardarjis. I wonder why we cant enjoy such jokes in their originality and always feel the need to remove the character and place a sardarji in place. Such jokes, started with the famous 12 O clock joke. Could you please expound on the truth behind this joke in Mid day, and mention how women of a certain community were saved by the dim witted sardarjis of yore. How many journalists of today have the courage to tell the truth and how many people can digest it? Perhaps you can explain how the image of the dirty jew was created prior to the Holocaust. Do we want to create such an image of a Sardar who has been at the forefront in patriotic activities throughout. I am sure no one hates sardars, but I fail to understand, why they have the intense desire to make stupid jokes. A student of psychology may perhaps say that it is because of an inferiority complex of certain people. I dont know... it is an open question. Perhaps you could open such a discussion on TV and we can all contribute. How many movies have you seen, with the central character - a hero being a sardarji and how many can you count with the side kick being a dimwitted , saradrji, who cannot even win the Love of a decent looking gal. Can you wonder why, it is always people of other communities or Clean Shaven sardars that are taken as heros along with implied sikh girls. Can you also answer why there are no jokes concerning the Hindus/Muslims/Christians and potraying them as cowards, jokers, idiots or ugly? Can we expect you to take a stand and use your pen to further the cause of sikh image in the media? I am sure if you can help the sikhs frame a better image and present it to our kids, the community will have no objection to telling jokes about ourselves and laughing at their antics. We can all have a jolly good time. Can I request you to please research a topic more and explore the human and community facets before brandishing a pen and making statements like the one quoted in the begining of this email which seem to be out of order with the chosen topic. Expecting a more detailed article and a reply to this mail. Sincerely. [/QUOTE]
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