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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 114504" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>The SRM is quite clear and precise. No superstitious beleifs/rituals allowed. Some of these mentioned..driving nails/tying thread around the pyre..etc are based on superstition that the DEAD persons GHOST/EVIL SPIRIT be "confined"..nailed down..and stopped from escaping...and haunting the alive ones <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />....others take out a "partially burnt bone and secretly bury it or remove it...THIS is to PREVENT Black magic Practitioners from "reassembling a ZOMBIE and making the dead spirit serve them as a SLAVE for eternity<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />..the "missing" bone fragment supposedly makes such a zombie creation impossible...so IF you want your dead one to be FREE and Independent..take this "precaution"<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />:inca:..so essentially Soem are deathly afraid their dead relative will rise up and follow them back..others are deathly afraid a family ENEMY will make their dead relation a SLAVE and work him/her !!! - so there you are..the Brahmin has a SOLUTION for BOTH types ...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>Once a funny thing happened. In Malaysia its the common practise (sheer Laziness coupled with the desire to fulfill the superstitious ritual)..is to place the "bone" in a small tin and hide it in the cremation grounds itself and mark the place so its easily recovered..in one case the buryer forgot to mix back the bone and only remembered when its all over and a new dead body was burning on the pyre..he threw the bone in to the new pyre as he didnt knwo what to do with it...so probably his dead father may be a Zombie somewhere but with a "donated" bone fragment somewhere in his body !! He came to me with his sad story..hoping for some Paath/shabd to get him out of his misery..BUT i BURST OUT LAUGHING so badly...despite all my self control and trying to be serious..i just couldnt stop laughing..had a glass of water and cooled off...One mischievious part of me had the urge to tell him..YA..I know your dad is a zombie..and its all your fault...now he will be a slave for eternity because you FORGOT/were Lazy...:rofl!!:..but my better half got control of me....:rofl!!::rofl!!:</p><p>The PROBLEM is at such times..IF the FAMILY is NOT TOUGH and Brooks no NONSENSE..some bOF (Bl***y old fool) will push ahead and demand that This be doen..that be done..why wasnt this done..etc etc and scare the family into performing the ritual/superstitious actions..EDUCATION is the KEY. The SRM is clear and precise. Follow it.</p><p></p><p>2. The ARDASS.....Frankly speaking a SIKH can NEVER have "enough" ardass done...the LIFE of a SIKH is one continous ARDASS..because we cannot be tired of THANKING HIM !!</p><p>I see the logic. Once an "Ardass" has been done..this is a sort of PSYCHOLOGICAL LINE that has been passed...Just notice How DIFFICULT it is to GET the Dead Body MOVING on its Way....there will always be just that ONE MORE TIME..last HUG..last Glimpse of the Face..One last this and one last that....IF one is not STRICT..the Body will NEVER get Moving !! So First Ardass calms everyone down..and the body is loaded on the he{censored} and its sent on its way... SECOND ARDASS will get the FIRE BURNING....and calm everyone down for a Paath/shabad singing...IF NOT..there will be an endless line of crying relatives..still trying to get a last hug..last glimpse..and the logs will never get loaded..or set on fire...</p><p>SO the ARDASSES are NOT for "WAHEGURU"..per se..they are ALL for the CRYING/SCREAMING LIVING persons...gathered around..who cannot reconcile their LOSS...the ARDASS..the Sohila Paath..the Shabads..the Paath of SGGS..the Jordmela..the Bhog..etc etc are ALL for US..those who remain BEHIND. These are an attempt to Calm us down, BRING the REALITY of DEATH in perspective..make us PREPARE for our OWN..a sort of..ASK not for whom the Bells toll.....they TOLL FOR THEE !!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 114504, member: 189"] The SRM is quite clear and precise. No superstitious beleifs/rituals allowed. Some of these mentioned..driving nails/tying thread around the pyre..etc are based on superstition that the DEAD persons GHOST/EVIL SPIRIT be "confined"..nailed down..and stopped from escaping...and haunting the alive ones :D:D....others take out a "partially burnt bone and secretly bury it or remove it...THIS is to PREVENT Black magic Practitioners from "reassembling a ZOMBIE and making the dead spirit serve them as a SLAVE for eternity:D:D:D..the "missing" bone fragment supposedly makes such a zombie creation impossible...so IF you want your dead one to be FREE and Independent..take this "precaution":D:D:D:inca:..so essentially Soem are deathly afraid their dead relative will rise up and follow them back..others are deathly afraid a family ENEMY will make their dead relation a SLAVE and work him/her !!! - so there you are..the Brahmin has a SOLUTION for BOTH types ...:D:D:D Once a funny thing happened. In Malaysia its the common practise (sheer Laziness coupled with the desire to fulfill the superstitious ritual)..is to place the "bone" in a small tin and hide it in the cremation grounds itself and mark the place so its easily recovered..in one case the buryer forgot to mix back the bone and only remembered when its all over and a new dead body was burning on the pyre..he threw the bone in to the new pyre as he didnt knwo what to do with it...so probably his dead father may be a Zombie somewhere but with a "donated" bone fragment somewhere in his body !! He came to me with his sad story..hoping for some Paath/shabd to get him out of his misery..BUT i BURST OUT LAUGHING so badly...despite all my self control and trying to be serious..i just couldnt stop laughing..had a glass of water and cooled off...One mischievious part of me had the urge to tell him..YA..I know your dad is a zombie..and its all your fault...now he will be a slave for eternity because you FORGOT/were Lazy...:rofl!!:..but my better half got control of me....:rofl!!::rofl!!: The PROBLEM is at such times..IF the FAMILY is NOT TOUGH and Brooks no NONSENSE..some bOF (Bl***y old fool) will push ahead and demand that This be doen..that be done..why wasnt this done..etc etc and scare the family into performing the ritual/superstitious actions..EDUCATION is the KEY. The SRM is clear and precise. Follow it. 2. The ARDASS.....Frankly speaking a SIKH can NEVER have "enough" ardass done...the LIFE of a SIKH is one continous ARDASS..because we cannot be tired of THANKING HIM !! I see the logic. Once an "Ardass" has been done..this is a sort of PSYCHOLOGICAL LINE that has been passed...Just notice How DIFFICULT it is to GET the Dead Body MOVING on its Way....there will always be just that ONE MORE TIME..last HUG..last Glimpse of the Face..One last this and one last that....IF one is not STRICT..the Body will NEVER get Moving !! So First Ardass calms everyone down..and the body is loaded on the he{censored} and its sent on its way... SECOND ARDASS will get the FIRE BURNING....and calm everyone down for a Paath/shabad singing...IF NOT..there will be an endless line of crying relatives..still trying to get a last hug..last glimpse..and the logs will never get loaded..or set on fire... SO the ARDASSES are NOT for "WAHEGURU"..per se..they are ALL for the CRYING/SCREAMING LIVING persons...gathered around..who cannot reconcile their LOSS...the ARDASS..the Sohila Paath..the Shabads..the Paath of SGGS..the Jordmela..the Bhog..etc etc are ALL for US..those who remain BEHIND. These are an attempt to Calm us down, BRING the REALITY of DEATH in perspective..make us PREPARE for our OWN..a sort of..ASK not for whom the Bells toll.....they TOLL FOR THEE !! [/QUOTE]
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