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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 103779" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Thanks Gyani ji</p><p></p><p>Later my friend found a pauree in the vaars of Bhai Gurdas ji that basically affirms your response. Naturally, why didn't we think of this, the Nit Nem would have to have been established after the death of Guru Gobind Singh ji...and hence the SRM determined the banis later on. For the interest of readers the pauree is this one: Vaar 6 Pauree 3</p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਠਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਇ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਨ੍ਹਵੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">anmrit vaylay utdi kai jaai andari dareeaau nhavanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Getting up at the ambrosial hour of morning the Sikhs bathe in the river.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਗੁਰ ਜਾਪੁ ਜਪੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">sahaji samaadhi agaadhi vichi ik mani hoi gur jaapu japanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">By putting their mind in the unfathomable God through deep concentration, they remember Guru, the God by reciting Japu (Ji).</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਮਥੈ ਟਿਕੇ ਲਾਲ ਲਾਇ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਚਲਿ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">madai tikay|aal|aai saadhasangati chali jaai bahanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Getting fully activated then they go to join the holy congregation of the saints.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਲਿਵ ਲੀਣੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਇ ਸੁਣੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">sabadu surati|iv|eenu hoi satigur baanee gaai sunanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Becoming absorbed in remembering and loving the sabad they sing and hear the Guru's hymns.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤਿ ਭੈ ਵਰਤਿਮਾਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬ ਕਰੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">bhaai bhagati bhai varatimaani gur sayvaa gurapurab karanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">They love to spend their time in meditation, service and fear of God and they serve the Gum by observing his anniversaries.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਸੰਝੈ ਸੋਦਰੁ ਗਾਵਣਾ ਮਨ ਮੇਲੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">sanjhai sodaru gaavanaa man maylee kari mayli miladay|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">They sing the Sodar in the evening and heartily associate with one another.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਰਾਤੀ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਸੋਹਿਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਆਰਤੀ ਪਰਸਾਦੁ ਵੰਡੰਦੇ । </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">raatee keerati </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">sohilaa kari aaratee parasaadu vandanday|</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Having recited the </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Sohila and made supplication at night they distribute sacred food (prasad).</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖ ਫਲੁ ਪਿਰਮ ਚਖੰਦੇ ॥੩॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">guramukhi sukh dhalu piram chakhanday ॥3॥</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Thus gurmukhs gladly taste the fruit of happiness. </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><span style="color: Black">The Sodar is the Rehiras that you have talked about above. So it was only 3 -- Japji Sahib, Sodar Rehiras, and Sohila, by the time that Bhai Gurdas wrote this pauree. And as you said, bathing, simran and kirtan were part of their daily spiritual practice. </span></span></p><p></p><p>Another interesting thing about this pauree -- Bhai Gurdas refers to "Sikhs" and says that the "Sikhs" do..... which has nothing to do with the question. However, more than once a visitor to SPN has asked when Sikhi was established as a distinctive way of life and religious community. And Bhai Gurdas is showing that an early sense of religious identity had formed by his time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 103779, member: 35"] Thanks Gyani ji Later my friend found a pauree in the vaars of Bhai Gurdas ji that basically affirms your response. Naturally, why didn't we think of this, the Nit Nem would have to have been established after the death of Guru Gobind Singh ji...and hence the SRM determined the banis later on. For the interest of readers the pauree is this one: Vaar 6 Pauree 3 [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਉਠਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਇ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਨ੍ਹਵੰਦੇ । anmrit vaylay utdi kai jaai andari dareeaau nhavanday| Getting up at the ambrosial hour of morning the Sikhs bathe in the river. ਸਹਜਿ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਅਗਾਧਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਹੋਇ ਗੁਰ ਜਾਪੁ ਜਪੰਦੇ । sahaji samaadhi agaadhi vichi ik mani hoi gur jaapu japanday| By putting their mind in the unfathomable God through deep concentration, they remember Guru, the God by reciting Japu (Ji). [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਮਥੈ ਟਿਕੇ ਲਾਲ ਲਾਇ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਚਲਿ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੰਦੇ । madai tikay|aal|aai saadhasangati chali jaai bahanday| Getting fully activated then they go to join the holy congregation of the saints. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਸਬਦੁ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਲਿਵ ਲੀਣੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਇ ਸੁਣੰਦੇ । sabadu surati|iv|eenu hoi satigur baanee gaai sunanday| Becoming absorbed in remembering and loving the sabad they sing and hear the Guru's hymns. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਭਾਇ ਭਗਤਿ ਭੈ ਵਰਤਿਮਾਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬ ਕਰੰਦੇ । bhaai bhagati bhai varatimaani gur sayvaa gurapurab karanday| They love to spend their time in meditation, service and fear of God and they serve the Gum by observing his anniversaries. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਸੰਝੈ ਸੋਦਰੁ ਗਾਵਣਾ ਮਨ ਮੇਲੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਦੇ । sanjhai sodaru gaavanaa man maylee kari mayli miladay| They sing the Sodar in the evening and heartily associate with one another. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਰਾਤੀ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਸੋਹਿਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਆਰਤੀ ਪਰਸਾਦੁ ਵੰਡੰਦੇ । raatee keerati [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]sohilaa kari aaratee parasaadu vandanday| Having recited the [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]Sohila and made supplication at night they distribute sacred food (prasad). [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਖ ਫਲੁ ਪਿਰਮ ਚਖੰਦੇ ॥੩॥ guramukhi sukh dhalu piram chakhanday ॥3॥ Thus gurmukhs gladly taste the fruit of happiness. [COLOR=Black]The Sodar is the Rehiras that you have talked about above. So it was only 3 -- Japji Sahib, Sodar Rehiras, and Sohila, by the time that Bhai Gurdas wrote this pauree. And as you said, bathing, simran and kirtan were part of their daily spiritual practice. [/COLOR][/COLOR] Another interesting thing about this pauree -- Bhai Gurdas refers to "Sikhs" and says that the "Sikhs" do..... which has nothing to do with the question. However, more than once a visitor to SPN has asked when Sikhi was established as a distinctive way of life and religious community. And Bhai Gurdas is showing that an early sense of religious identity had formed by his time. [/QUOTE]
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