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Q2. What Is The Science Of Religion?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 91997" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">These are all high quality posts we are making! i agree with everyone here...i think <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </span></p><p> </p><p>where do science and religion overlap?...my thoughts:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This is the practice of rational science;</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Truth must be learnt. And the process of learning requires the act of listening or observing. To attain a truth a person must listen and translate in order to learn. Truth in science does not involve attaining certainty but rather <em><u>realizing </u></em>the <em>reliability</em> of an observation with respect to details and as a hole. But in order to listen, truly listen, we must start listening without a definitive conclusion, before the communion starts (listening with a simple end goal, which; is simply to comprehend not judge). We must shed our <em>certainties</em> and become <em>absolutely uncertain</em>. But in order to be in a state of absolute uncertainty one must be absolutely certain that they are indeed in a state of absolute uncertainty. Hence, absolute certainty and absolute uncertainty are different agents, yet symbiotically connected so that they cannot exist apart or else both states become ‘disingenuous?’. Genuine listening, be it to an idiot or a sage, can only occur through this path and it IS the rejection of giving labels/conclusions before the communion has occurred. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The practice of good science resting entirely on this;</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Science is an art…each discovery like a brush stroke making it finer and more detailed but never complete. Art is NOT directionless but when science is APPLIED as technology it can be misguided, especially when it is used to satisfy greed, the urge for social power.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">SIMILARILY,</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Practice of Religion.</span></p><p> </p><p>Very<span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> personal…a definition…unlikely</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">There are self-proclaimed ‘faithful’ (be they atheist, Christian, Sikh etc) that nail their colors to a mast before they even realize if a ship is attached to it. Usually clamoring for others to climb aboard, luring them with words we do not understand or comprehend. Verbally or intellectually trying to interpret ‘religion’ for mere entertainment or even for manipulation...it could be a type of social greed or just simply an act of social maneuvering (ego; creation of the self). </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whenever we fall into this mess we become nationalistic, tribal, insular, isolated, without a global relationship, constantly fighting. ‘Religion’/Morality (with a capital M) driven by a false convictions/faith, just like perverse technology, becomes that wedge between humanity if we are not careful. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">For a concept that is so often misunderstood, Faith is given far too much authoritative respect, just like science.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Absolutism or caste iron certainties becomes a disease for both religion and science. For the ‘true?’, certainty is not an issue...there is only strong pervading feeling of reliability (as used above to describe the process of science…an experience...a realization).</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Tough to explain in words…but truthful science and truthful religion although not the same thing,are practiced identically through an identical <em><u>'discipline'</u></em>.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">PS: </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Buddha said it fantastically</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">“Simply hold the present.”</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Listen Learn Live…you cant go wrong.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 91997, member: 2684"] [FONT=Arial]These are all high quality posts we are making! i agree with everyone here...i think :) [/FONT] where do science and religion overlap?...my thoughts: [FONT=Arial]This is the practice of rational science;[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Truth must be learnt. And the process of learning requires the act of listening or observing. To attain a truth a person must listen and translate in order to learn. Truth in science does not involve attaining certainty but rather [I][U]realizing [/U][/I]the [I]reliability[/I] of an observation with respect to details and as a hole. But in order to listen, truly listen, we must start listening without a definitive conclusion, before the communion starts (listening with a simple end goal, which; is simply to comprehend not judge). We must shed our [I]certainties[/I] and become [I]absolutely uncertain[/I]. But in order to be in a state of absolute uncertainty one must be absolutely certain that they are indeed in a state of absolute uncertainty. Hence, absolute certainty and absolute uncertainty are different agents, yet symbiotically connected so that they cannot exist apart or else both states become ‘disingenuous?’. Genuine listening, be it to an idiot or a sage, can only occur through this path and it IS the rejection of giving labels/conclusions before the communion has occurred. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The practice of good science resting entirely on this;[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Science is an art…each discovery like a brush stroke making it finer and more detailed but never complete. Art is NOT directionless but when science is APPLIED as technology it can be misguided, especially when it is used to satisfy greed, the urge for social power.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]SIMILARILY,[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The Practice of Religion.[/FONT] Very[FONT=Arial] personal…a definition…unlikely[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]There are self-proclaimed ‘faithful’ (be they atheist, Christian, Sikh etc) that nail their colors to a mast before they even realize if a ship is attached to it. Usually clamoring for others to climb aboard, luring them with words we do not understand or comprehend. Verbally or intellectually trying to interpret ‘religion’ for mere entertainment or even for manipulation...it could be a type of social greed or just simply an act of social maneuvering (ego; creation of the self). [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Whenever we fall into this mess we become nationalistic, tribal, insular, isolated, without a global relationship, constantly fighting. ‘Religion’/Morality (with a capital M) driven by a false convictions/faith, just like perverse technology, becomes that wedge between humanity if we are not careful. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]For a concept that is so often misunderstood, Faith is given far too much authoritative respect, just like science.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Absolutism or caste iron certainties becomes a disease for both religion and science. For the ‘true?’, certainty is not an issue...there is only strong pervading feeling of reliability (as used above to describe the process of science…an experience...a realization).[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Tough to explain in words…but truthful science and truthful religion although not the same thing,are practiced identically through an identical [I][U]'discipline'[/U][/I].[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]PS: [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Buddha said it fantastically[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]“Simply hold the present.”[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Listen Learn Live…you cant go wrong.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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